[6:02pm] ses joined the chat room. [6:03pm] jervin joined the chat room. [6:08pm] J-MN joined the chat room. [6:09pm] jtodd: freenum! [6:09pm] fred-tmft: freenum... better than enum by at least 3 letters [6:09pm] jtodd: E.164 is entangling. Avoid where possible. [6:11pm] DFrankel joined the chat room. [6:12pm] Linuturk: has the call started? [6:12pm] jtodd: Linuturk: Yes. [6:12pm] jtodd: A while ago. [6:13pm] jtodd: So I agree with Dan, and but I'd step back a bit. Lots of handsets support SIP in some way, but most SIP handsets are not publicly accessible except via the PSTN. No pointers exist for connection. [6:13pm] Linuturk: weird. My ekiga won't connect [6:13pm] Linuturk: [6:13pm] e4voip joined the chat room. [6:13pm] Zeeek: hello michael [6:14pm] jtodd: It's like having two people speaking Spanish having to translate what they say through two English-speaking people every time they want to chat, because they don't know they each speak Spanish and can eliminate the translators. [6:14pm] Zeeek: 44.1khz [6:14pm] ricko73: jtodd: good example [6:14pm] mykhyggz joined the chat room. [6:16pm] Marquis42 joined the chat room. [6:18pm] MarkPetersen: won't mobil G4 be pure IP based [6:18pm] Zeeek: 9 people on Talkshoe "shoephone" + 10 callers + 14 callers on ZipDX [6:18pm] MarkPetersen: if that is the case it shout be posible the support HD on G4 [6:20pm] Marquis42: Is there something wrong with the dial-in number? [6:20pm] Zeeek: MarkPetersen: which one? [6:20pm] Zeeek: oops [6:20pm] Marquis42: 724-444-7444 [6:20pm] Zeeek: Marquis42: [6:20pm] Linuturk: ideasip? [6:20pm] Zeeek: no it works [6:20pm] Zeeek: they all work [6:20pm] philipp64 joined the chat room. [6:20pm] Zeeek: Marquis42: what happens when you call? [6:20pm] Linuturk: well, apparently something is wrong on my end [6:20pm] Marquis42: Not for me it doesn't. It keeps telling me that the number I entered is not valid or is not scheduled at this time. [6:21pm] Zeeek: what number? 22622# ? [6:21pm] Marquis42: That's not what's listed on the website. [6:21pm] Zeeek: let me go look [6:21pm] Zeeek: is is 22622 [6:21pm] Marquis42: Wait, PEBCAK [6:21pm] Linuturk: sip:7463#22622#1#@proxy.ideasip.com << that's what I have in my Ekiga client [6:21pm] e4voip: Do you have the link for the HD VoIP Summit.... [6:21pm] Marquis42: I must've clicked on something else, and it was giving me a different number.... [6:21pm] Zeeek: D'oh! [6:22pm] Linuturk: and, I keep getting User not available [6:22pm] Linuturk: [6:22pm] Marquis42: Something about wine or whatever... Anyway, forget me. [6:22pm] Zeeek: Linuturk: what number? [6:22pm] mjgraves: http://www.hdcomms.com/ [6:22pm] Linuturk: sip:7463#22622#1#@proxy.ideasip.com << that's what I have in my Ekiga client [6:23pm] Zeeek: Linuturk: should work, but if not call talkshoe@vuc.onsip.com and enter the DTMF manually [6:23pm] Zeeek: 22622#1# [6:23pm] ricko73: Linuturk: you need to get a Polycom (456)50 phone and dial in on the zipdx.com bridge [6:23pm] Zeeek: I have a question? [6:23pm] ricko73: Zeeek: no, it's not beer :30 yet [6:24pm] Zeeek: hahaha [6:24pm] Linuturk: maybe ekiga is borked [6:24pm] imchandave: hopefully, I'll be on the wideband next week. [6:25pm] maximCH: so he dumped his cellphone? [6:25pm] Zeeek: imchandave: Great. That's when we're moving to pay per minute [6:25pm] MicroChip32: i dont think my net connection could handle wb [6:25pm] imchandave: [6:26pm] wolrah: one of my guys found a G722-capable softphone for the iPhone that works over 3G, but it seems to have the same issue eyebeam used to have with Polycoms [6:26pm] Zeeek: "HD Reazdy" [6:26pm] wolrah: microchip32: if it can handle g.711 it can handle g.722 wideband. peak bandwidth is the same [6:27pm] MicroChip32: wolrah : well, even with the standard, any time i load a decent sized web page while listening to the call, i can hear the dropped packets on the call [6:27pm] MicroChip32: my isp sucks [6:28pm] MicroChip32: (thats being nice) [6:28pm] MarkPetersen: dos any body know if M$ communication server support G.722 [6:28pm] jtodd: I think the on-line porn chat servers would disagree with the "can't have an intimate conversation".... [6:28pm] wolrah: doing any QoS on your end? I've seen that even on 10m/3m cable lines if local QoS isn't used [6:29pm] mjgraves: MS has their own wb codec called RTA [6:29pm] MicroChip32: wolrah : no local qos, the problem is several things. its a wireless isp with a 20 mile/3-hop backhaul before hitting the wires ... and where it hits the backbone there's a router that is bottleneceking everything and adding about 40ms [6:30pm] ricko73: the only problem is most phones are not hd capable [6:30pm] MicroChip32: on top of that the local wireless node is horribly oversub'd [6:30pm] wolrah: microchip32: ah, yea, and I assume if you're on that kind of an ISP there aren't any other options, eh? [6:30pm] MicroChip32: sure, there's another worse wisp, and there's dialup LOL [6:30pm] mort_gib: ricko73: not so, telcos need to roll out HD capable connections to end users [6:31pm] • Zeeek will now shutup again... maybe ask if anyone has questions before continuing? [6:31pm] ricko73: right, but the actual hand sets in their houses will need to be updated as well [6:31pm] mort_gib: ricko73: Sure, but that's less of an expense than the infrastructure required to support it [6:31pm] Zeeek: http://www.hdcomms.com/ [6:31pm] mort_gib: Avaya is evil [6:33pm] _3vian joined the chat room. [6:33pm] Zeeek: and is the current HD movement at FWD/siptosip still asterisk-based? [6:35pm] Zeeek: also, what about the old FWD communicator? Is that still happening? [6:37pm] jtodd: I'll not beat the dead horse about numeric pointers... [6:37pm] ricko73: Zeeek: not siptosis [6:37pm] Zeeek: ewwwww, siptosis! [6:37pm] Zeeek: there's no cure [6:37pm] maximCH: I found some drugs for it [6:37pm] maximCH: [6:37pm] Zeeek: well, if you wanna go the drug route... [6:38pm] reubwen left the chat room. [6:38pm] jtodd: The Asterisk version of Skype will support HD. [6:38pm] Zeeek: SfA? [6:38pm] jtodd: Yes. [6:38pm] Zeeek: or AfS? [6:39pm] jtodd: Perhaps not in the first release version, but it's a very clear target because we recognize the attraction of interconnects with HD. [6:39pm] ricko73: jtodd: but will require a binary blob that won't likely be provided for Astlinux [6:39pm] maximCH: will the chan_skype though be affordable for non-enterprises? [6:39pm] DFrankel: jtodd: Will that mean SILK will be embedded in Asterisk? [6:40pm] TDF: will the chan_skype though be affordable for non-enterprises??? [6:40pm] jtodd: ricko73: That's probably going to be the case, I'm afraid. Unless you really have a large number of endpoints, and then if it warrants the engineering time I'm sure it can be considered. But that's a product question, and I'm blissfully in the OSS side of the shop. [6:41pm] jtodd: DFrankel: I expect SILK will be embedded in Asterisk soon as well. It would be disingenuous for me to say we're not really excited about that codec capability. [6:41pm] Zeeek: How hopeful can we be of improvement when the cell providers all advertise "the lowest number of dropped calls" ? [6:41pm] ricko73: jtodd: we could make it dead simple for someone at Digium to provide to us. I'll write something up for kflemming [6:42pm] philipp64: how do you ask a question on the call? [6:42pm] Zeeek: ricko73: come over to Rostock in 10 days and talk it up! [6:42pm] ricko73: ask to be unmuted [6:42pm] mjgraves: just pipe up [6:42pm] jtodd: ricko73: That's half the problem, and would make it easier. But no guarantees - support is always the question. [6:42pm] Zeeek: philipp64: you can call in or type it here [6:42pm] ricko73: philipp64: how are you dialed in? [6:42pm] philipp64: yup, dialed in... [6:42pm] Zeeek: where? what name? [6:42pm] jtodd: PSAPS run the gamut between backwards and forwards. [6:42pm] ricko73: zipdx or the talkshoe [6:42pm] philipp64: probably philipp@redfish-solutions.com ... [6:43pm] Zeeek: redfish we see you. [6:43pm] Zeeek: over? [6:43pm] philipp64: here's my question if someone wants to ask me... [6:43pm] ricko73: mjgraves: he's one of the Astlinux devs too [6:43pm] Zeeek: good questipn [6:43pm] jtodd: "switched-56" lives on.... [6:43pm] jtodd: Same with ISDN. [6:44pm] jtodd: Most people don't have the hardware. So I think HD VoIP would work better, since almost everyone has Internet at reasoanble speeds now. [6:44pm] Zeeek: why do they always have huge lag time? [6:44pm] mjgraves: G.722 was commonly passed over ISDN [6:44pm] jtodd: Zeeek: satellite? [6:44pm] Zeeek: ah [6:44pm] Zeeek: maybe [6:44pm] Zeeek: carbon button phones [6:46pm] Zeeek: although I see that even in the same city [6:46pm] philipp64: can't you inject redundancy? [6:46pm] Zeeek: maybe the video [6:47pm] philipp64: i'm worried that call centers with good hold music will get swamped with users calling in for a radio-substitute. [6:47pm] ricko73: lol [6:47pm] Zeeek: use bad hold music! [6:47pm] jtodd: philipp64: Obviously, you have never spent much time on hold. [6:48pm] philipp64: i've spent too much time on hold. [6:48pm] philipp64: I can tell you that vivaldi's four seasons coming from the philippines with a bad remote echo cancellor sounds like crap. [6:48pm] Zeeek: where's Karl? [6:48pm] philipp64: I start to twitch every time I hear it now... [6:49pm] fred-tmft: Free riders... on Free World Dialup. Hmmmm [6:49pm] Zeeek: heh [6:49pm] Zeeek: that's what I did [6:50pm] fred-tmft: Once it became non-free, I thought it should be called NFWD [6:50pm] jtodd: Freenum is free. W00t. [6:51pm] philipp64: 7.1 DTS, dude! [6:51pm] philipp64: why stop with 2 channels? [6:51pm] jtodd: sure, quadrophonic! [6:52pm] ses left the chat room. ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [6:52pm] mjgraves: the coming broadcst configuration is 22.2 channels [6:52pm] televoip joined the chat room. [6:52pm] Zeeek: hello televoip [6:52pm] televoip: Hey! [6:53pm] Zeeek: chip vendors, good point [6:55pm] jtodd: Broadcom gave me a look like they smelled something bad when I tried to get them to do iLBC a while ago. I suspect HD was the same effort. [6:57pm] e4voip: The Future Is Calling [6:57pm] ricko73: yes [6:57pm] e4voip: it's using HD [6:57pm] e4voip: here here [6:58pm] ricko73: much less wiring is required [6:58pm] ricko73: smaller geographical area [6:58pm] jervin: I just upgraded to a ubuntu 9.04 and the new ekiga kicked me out of G722, so I went G711. Worked last week [6:58pm] televoip: I finally got on the HD bridge. It is Awesome! [6:58pm] jtodd: zeeek: Orange you glad I didn't say Orange? [7:01pm] MarkPetersen: we have TV on ADSL here in Denmark already [7:01pm] MarkPetersen: and it is provide by the largest ADSL provider (TDC) [7:01pm] Zeeek: ya we've had it for years too [7:02pm] ebruno joined the chat room. [7:03pm] TDF: Orange were great before the French bought them [7:03pm] Zeeek: ORANGE SUCKS!!!! [7:04pm] MarkPetersen: I belive that HD will first come form the hosted buisness SIP providers [7:07pm] Marquis42 left the chat room. ("Konversation terminated!") [7:08pm] Zeeek: MarkPetersen: probably [7:09pm] imchandave: S67H [7:10pm] imchandave: 470H [7:10pm] imchandave: A580 [7:10pm] imchandave: A58 entry level [7:11pm] jervin left the chat room. [7:12pm] mjgraves: no POTS round here [7:13pm] MarkPetersen: Kirk Wireless Server 300 has 12 SIP account and 4 channels [7:13pm] MarkPetersen: (polycom) [7:14pm] MarkPetersen: and the work fine with Siemesn handsets [7:14pm] MarkPetersen: yes [7:15pm] MarkPetersen: one not the snom m3 is not gab complient [7:15pm] MarkPetersen: it will only only work wihn m3 handsest [7:15pm] MarkPetersen: if you use a dieft handset you can transfere any calls [7:16pm] MarkPetersen: can't [7:17pm] J-MN: If it's local it's NOT champagne. [7:17pm] Zeeek: true [7:17pm] jtodd: General geek note, not related to VoIP at all (been experimenting while listening): http://code.google.com/apis/o3d/ [7:18pm] jtodd: Really, really slick in-browser 3D stuff. [7:20pm] MicroChip32: jtodd : did you also notice that the plugin wants to "call home" constantly ? [7:21pm] Zeeek: J-MN: not local local, local to the producer in Champagne [7:21pm] MicroChip32: introduced in the last week [7:22pm] J-MN: ?? didn't understand that ?? [7:23pm] MicroChip32: jmn : i meant the google plugin, above, was introduced in the last week [7:24pm] Zeeek: JM-N it IS Champagne, she meant it was a small producer [7:24pm] jtodd: http://www.mail-archive.com/asterisk-dev@lists.digium.com/msg35202.html [7:24pm] jtodd: MicroChip32: yeah, stats is turned on so it talks back to Google. [7:25pm] MicroChip32: i told it to turn off stats and it still wanted to call back [7:25pm] MicroChip32: i blocked it of course but still [7:26pm] DFrankel: "Is it live, or is it Memorex?" [7:27pm] J-MN: if it's music then you can mix it the way you'd like. I'd love to get music that way. [7:27pm] DFrankel: Most people don't want to wear a headset. [7:27pm] Zeeek: very cool 3d stuff John [7:27pm] linuxninjas joined the chat room. [7:28pm] Zeeek: DFrankel: I wanna wear a 3d helmet [7:28pm] J-MN: loudness wars! [7:29pm] Zeeek: I'm downloading the 3d thing while connected in wideband to ZipDX and my wife is on the same IP connection talkting to Florida [7:29pm] Zeeek: 40% [7:29pm] Zeeek: 45% [7:30pm] Zeeek: 60% [7:30pm] Zeeek: remind us what that is? [7:30pm] Zeeek: 70% [7:30pm] ebruno left the chat room. [7:31pm] Zeeek: DFrankel: how does the webshare work with 16 people? [7:31pm] Zeeek: 84% [7:31pm] DFrankel: One person shares their screen and the other 15 see it. [7:32pm] Zeeek: so the "admin" is sharing his/her screen? [7:32pm] fred-tmft: ugh. clients... see you guys next week. [7:32pm] Zeeek: or is it a whiteboard [7:32pm] Zeeek: fred-tmft: be well! [7:32pm] fred-tmft left the chat room. [7:32pm] DFrankel: It starts with the Organizer sharing their screen. But you can nominate others to share their screen. [7:32pm] Zeeek: 98%!!! [7:32pm] DFrankel: We can try it if you want. [7:33pm] mykhyggz left the chat room. ("*") [7:33pm] Zeeek: 3d browser thing died [7:34pm] Zeeek: DFrankel: I'm on the air [7:35pm] Zeeek: and suddenly my desktop is light blue [7:35pm] Zeeek: so what do you see? [7:35pm] DFrankel: Click on my name in that WebShare Controller Window. [7:35pm] DFrankel: I see your IRC chat and the ZipDX dashboard. [7:36pm] Zeeek: I made you co- [7:36pm] Zeeek: I see the wall street journal [7:36pm] DFrankel: Yup; now you can read my WSJ. [7:36pm] Zeeek: so the idea is you can share whatever you want, presentations, anything [7:36pm] DFrankel: Click on "Actual Size" in the upper left corner if the display isn't properly scaled. [7:37pm] Zeeek: this is pretty cool [7:38pm] Zeeek: can you do a demo to the whole group? [7:38pm] DFrankel: Oh, and we can even make it so that YOU can CONTROL my PC (or vice versa) [7:38pm] DFrankel: And yes, anybody can join this WebShare. [7:38pm] Zeeek: from this Mac? [7:38pm] DFrankel: Go to http://guest.zipdx.com [7:38pm] DFrankel: and enter our conference code 200901 [7:39pm] DFrankel: No, just I'm sharing right now. [7:39pm] DFrankel: IT's very similar. [7:39pm] DFrankel: But it is not exactly that technology. It is java based. [7:40pm] televoip: Well, back to work..... [7:40pm] televoip left the chat room. ("Ex-Chat") [7:43pm] jtodd: gotta move a hard drive. Leaving chat but still on conf. [7:43pm] jtodd left the chat room. ("Leaving") [7:45pm] mort_gib: Can you see my desktop?? [7:47pm] Zeeek: interesting service [7:47pm] MicroChip32: that would def be useful for biz teleconf [7:47pm] reubwen joined the chat room. [7:48pm] mort_gib: Bye guys, that last service is really interesting !! [7:48pm] mjgraves: g'bye [7:48pm] mort_gib left the chat room. (Client Quit) [7:50pm] MicroChip32: FF3+ sucks [7:50pm] wolrah: why do you say that? [7:50pm] beek: My experience is the opposite. Firefox has been getting more stable as time has been going on. [7:50pm] wolrah: IMO FF3.5 is shaping up to be the best browser ever [7:51pm] blkry left the chat room. (Remote closed the connection) [7:51pm] beek: Zeeek: reduce the size of your browser history. [7:51pm] wolrah: and 3.0 is great [7:51pm] reubwen left the chat room. (Client Quit) [7:51pm] beek: wolrah: +1 [7:51pm] Zeeek: beek: yeah I need to do that [7:51pm] MicroChip32: some of the features i saw the last time i tried it were severely annoying, and as whoever said on the call, was unstable [7:51pm] blkry joined the chat room. [7:51pm] MicroChip32: i'll try it agin when i get vmware back up [7:52pm] wolrah: I currently have a firefox 3.0 session that's been open for about a month, since I last rebooted this computer, and that's with a dozen or so extensions (most firefox crashes are actually due to extensions or plugins) [7:52pm] wolrah: one of my friends never had good luck with firefox until he replaced his RAM [7:53pm] wolrah: apparently one stick was bad towards the top end [7:53pm] wolrah: he rarely games, so firefox was the only thing pushing in to that area of memory [7:53pm] mib_yzqvu1 joined the chat room. [7:53pm] wolrah: personally I've had less than a dozen crashes since the release of 2.0 [7:53pm] wolrah: 1.0 wasn't amazing [7:54pm] wolrah: and pre-1.0 it of course wasn't quite stable [7:54pm] MicroChip32: twit ftw ! [7:55pm] MarkPetersen left the chat room. ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [7:55pm] DFrankel: PLCM was over 70 in 2000. [7:56pm] DFrankel: No narrowbanders allowed. [7:56pm] DFrankel: JTodd. [7:59pm] DFrankel: http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/23/verizon-hub-getting-price-cut-friday-hub-2-drawing-near/ [7:59pm] JimCifarelli: Apple is to sell a 8 inch iPod Touch this fall [8:00pm] JimCifarelli: use around the house... [8:02pm] Zeeek: I am considering buying an iTouch when we are in the USA in August [8:03pm] JimCifarelli: I use one everyday. Love it. [8:03pm] J-MN: Are taxes, etc. still that high in France that it's cheaper to buy it in the US? [8:07pm] JimCifarelli: ciao guys. Have a safe trip! [8:13pm] imchandave: directory. [8:15pm] imchandave: Is the Web interface really slow for the S6x5IP? My is a snail. [8:15pm] mjgraves: true [8:16pm] imchandave: someone want's to talk on the Talkshoe line [8:16pm] imchandave: yummyt [8:17pm] TDF: thanks [8:17pm] TDF left the chat room. [8:17pm] J-MN left the chat room. [8:17pm] mjgraves left the chat room. ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [8:21pm] linuxninjas left the chat room. (Remote closed the connection) [8:21pm] imchandave left the chat room. [8:21pm] DFrankel left the chat room. ("Java user signed off") [8:22pm] Rolfe joined the chat room. [8:38pm] Rolfe left the chat room. ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.9/2009040821]") [8:52pm] JimCifarelli left the chat room. ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [9:11pm] mib_yzqvu1 left the chat room. ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") [9:22pm] Zeeek: Goodbye cruel world