[09:41am] ricko73: back on
[09:41am] RandalSchwartz: this doesn't bode well for wanting to use voip bridges for business. 
[09:41am] jtodd: Audio is a tiny bit of the bandwidth compared to the video.
[09:42am] jervin: Spoiled
[09:42am] RandalSchwartz: o/~ I mute myself, when I'm around you... o/~
[09:42am] fred-tmft: it's the bridging of bridges that can be bridgy
[09:42am] DFrankel: Zeeek, we need to re-establish Talkshoe connection
[09:42am] MaxwellsDaemon: jtodd: it wouldnt scale well regardless, no way in hell i would want to be in a video conference with more than 4 other participants anyway
[09:42am] Zeeek: ok
[09:43am] MaxwellsDaemon: i wonder how oovoo does it (or do they?).  the commercials imply multiway video conference
[09:43am] MaxwellsDaemon: never used their software though
[09:44am] ricko73: 'who am I and why am I here'
[09:45am] dcdeadbeat: voip is better than chocolate cake
[09:45am] jtodd: MaxwellsDaemon: Actually, with the appropriate user interface system I imagine it can scale quite well up to 50 or so participants.  But it requires a lot of transcoding and intelligence in the core.
[09:48am] Zeeek: by the way: how many of these services stay in the media stream?
[09:48am] jtodd: I'd imagine all of them.
[09:49am] RandalSchwartz: jailbroken "siphon" *does* have incoming calls
[09:49am] RandalSchwartz: and can do calls over 3g if you take responsibility
[09:50am] Zeeek: Reubwen: can I ask a question about the iphone platform?
[09:50am] Reubwen: 2 sek
[09:50am] Zeeek: k
[09:50am] UnixDawg: brb  reseting a router
[09:51am] dcdeadbeat: UnixDawg:  just yank the power cord...it is more satisfying than doing the whole command line reset
[09:51am] mjgraves: also, any experience using SIP on WindowsCE/WinMobile?
[09:52am] mjgraves: I once had the ill fated Couterpath client on a Toshiba PDA
[09:52am] UnixDawg: yes
[09:52am] UnixDawg: I have a ce tablet running xten
[09:52am] UnixDawg: o issues
[09:55am] janinge: everything goes trough frings servers, they have their own RTP "like" protocol from the phone to their servers
[09:55am] RandalSchwartz: fring isn't connecting directly to any of the AIM/MSN etc
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[09:55am] RandalSchwartz: fring is connecting to fring server
[09:55am] janinge: seems to use iLBC iif you take a look with Wireshark
[09:55am] RandalSchwartz: that's how you stay logged in between fring invocations
[09:56am] Zeeek: iSip definitely allows proxy setup etc, multiple SIP providers
[09:58am] Zeeek: jtodd: one I tried just asks for your creds and the service name and it somehiow configures via API
[09:58am] Zeeek: I think that was iSip
[09:58am] Zeeek: look for it on the app store
[09:59am] RandalSchwartz: maybe 12connect open sip softphone
[09:59am] jtodd: Is that just relaying through their service?  In other words, is your phone talking directly to your SIP platform, or is some server somewhere run by iSip talking to your SIP platform?
[09:59am] RandalSchwartz: looks like it allows any provider
[09:59am] jtodd: I suspect the latter.
[09:59am] Zeeek: jtodd: look at this, and scroll way down: http://www.vnet-corp.com/support.htm#q2
[09:59am] leifmadsen: nimbuzz lets you add a SIP location as well
[10:00am] MaxwellsDaemon: time to nuke some lunch
[10:00am] leifmadsen: (I may have missed that comment already)
[10:00am] jtodd: Zeeek: OK, that's the most busy and confusing help page I've ever seen.  But maybe it's a "real" SIP client.
[10:01am] Zeeek: Oh, the doc sucks totally. But we're geeks, we can get through it
[10:01am] Zeeek: I think part of the problem is it is all one page with local anchors
[10:02am] RandalSchwartz: Hmm.  look at xsphone
[10:02am] RandalSchwartz: defaults using xs4all, but maybe has third-party registration
[10:02am] RandalSchwartz: I'm installing it now
[10:02am] Zeeek: most of them do, but they all work with variable quality
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[10:03am] mjgraves: any insight into the SIP stack forthcoming on the N97?
[10:04am] Zeeek: DFrankel: the control issue was bc I was dialing the special guest number.
[10:04am] UnixDawg: ok that was fun the poly 550 just rebooted no notice
[10:04am] Reubwen: http://www.itelbilling.com/
[10:05am] Zeeek: DFrankel: getting back to the call I tried to make from the Touch, calling the wbdemo works but calling any SIP URI does not
[10:06am] Zeeek: ^^^^^of ZiPDX ^^^
[10:06am] DFrankel: Did you see my note about getting the wrong TO in the SIP INVITE header?
[10:06am] Zeeek: no, sorry
[10:06am] Zeeek: maybe STUN was off (or should be off)
[10:07am] Zeeek: but why would wdbemo work
[10:07am] jtodd: Get coding!    Is it open-source?
[10:07am] DFrankel: wbdemo does not look at the TO header.
[10:07am] Zeeek: that explains it 
[10:09am] Zeeek: Regarding the iPhone platform, what are the clients people have used? I have ried iSip and WeePhone
[10:09am] Zeeek: http://www.domain17.net/weephone/
[10:09am] Zeeek: jtodd: have you tried either of these?
[10:10am] RandalSchwartz: xsphone could be configured with my gizmo, but it won't allow sip address entering, just "normal" numbers
[10:10am] Zeeek: damn
[10:10am] Zeeek: that sucks
[10:10am] Zeeek: but it's a widespread problem
[10:10am] RandalSchwartz: and Siphon is currently broken for SIP dialing as well
[10:10am] Zeeek: Reubwen: the lack of SIP URI dialing on these clients are bad for us
[10:10am] RandalSchwartz: known issue... hopefully next release fixes it
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[10:13am] ? Zeeek starts My Way karaoke track
[10:13am] Zeeek: RandalSchwartz: you know My Way is  a Franch song, right?
[10:13am] Reubwen: http://www.voipswitch.com/wp/?page_id=886
[10:14am] Reubwen: http://www.callto.net/wp/?page_id=21
[10:15am] mjgraves: from their web site.... The softphone supports following codecs: g729, g711, GSM
[10:15am] Zeeek: where's the noise?
[10:15am] leifmadsen: this guy reminds me of oej way too much 
[10:16am] Zeeek: heh
[10:16am] leifmadsen: using the word "sexy" must be a scandinavian thing
[10:16am] Zeeek: normal, if you've ever been there
[10:16am] Zeeek: Loooong nights!
[10:16am] J-MN: Leifmadsen ->oej???
[10:16am] leifmadsen: leifmadsen -> leifmadsen
[10:16am] RandalSchwartz: why a french song?
[10:17am] Zeeek: It was written by a French person
[10:17am] Zeeek: The original name is "As Usual"
[10:17am] RandalSchwartz: oh
[10:17am] Zeeek: Paul Anka wrote the English words IIRC
[10:17am] Zeeek: The song is about a guy whose GF leaves him, nothing at all like the EN version
[10:18am] Zeeek: It's a lonely, sobbing, feel sorry for myself song!
[10:18am] J-MN: leifmadsen: what I ment was "What's an oej?"
[10:18am] Zeeek: Sung with a horrid billy goat vibrato
[10:18am] Zeeek: OT
[10:18am] leifmadsen: J-MN: oej is a person 
[10:19am] leifmadsen: Olle E. Johansson
[10:19am] Zeeek: leifmadsen: not always
[10:19am] leifmadsen: Zeeek: touche
[10:19am] MaxwellsDaemon: not me, i am muted
[10:20am] Zeeek: What happens is the audio get ramped up when one isn't speaking, so BE SURE TO MUTE yourselves until you are talking
[10:20am] UnixDawg: I am self muted
[10:20am] UnixDawg: it was not me
[10:20am] fred-tmft: gotta fly for a few
[10:20am] Zeeek: fred-tmft: ok bye for now
[10:20am] mjgraves: imchandave you were noisy, I had to mute you
[10:20am] Zeeek: AHA
[10:21am] Zeeek: he probably unmuted just before speaking
[10:21am] ricko73: FYI here's why you don't want a D-Link DES-1228P switch  http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=3019.0
[10:21am] Reubwen: http://www.mailvision.com/
[10:23am] Zeeek: Reubwen:  before I spoend $9.99
[10:23am] Zeeek: Is this a really good SIP app?
[10:24am] jtodd: It's the witching hour for me.  Talk to y'all next week.
[10:24am] Zeeek: jtodd: later j
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[10:24am] Reubwen: zeek: jepp - the iPico client I'll mention briefly.
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[10:26am] televoip: Zeeek, 9.99 is too steep for me iSip isn't super, but it is free
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[10:27am] Zeeek: If it works, I'm happy to pay $10
[10:27am] Zeeek: but I'll wait. If it does g722 that's pretty amazing
[10:27am] televoip: I'm a cheap skate!
[10:27am] J-MN: Be an over achier, set low goals!
[10:27am] Zeeek: I don't mind one time charge < $30 in general for software
[10:28am] televoip: If it does g722, then I agree
[10:28am] Zeeek: WHO wins the audio quality award today? I'd say Tim P (talking now)
[10:28am] Zeeek: Full SIP URI dial? I'm buing it!
[10:29am] Zeeek: I may have misunderstood g722, I don't see it in features
[10:29am] televoip: Let us know what you think.  Maybe I'll try it
[10:29am] Zeeek: I will
[10:30am] UnixDawg: ok kids have fun gotta run
[10:30am] Zeeek: UnixDawg: bye
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[10:30am] Zeeek: I am hearing somebreaking up. I am the only one? (my end?)
[10:30am] Zeeek: not anymore
[10:32am] Zeeek: I just purchased the client
[10:33am] RandalSchwartz: which one is it?
[10:33am] RandalSchwartz: ahh ipico
[10:34am] RandalSchwartz: but no g.722?
[10:34am] Zeeek: looks great
[10:34am] Zeeek: I didn't see 722, no
[10:34am] DFrankel: Yes, you are breaking up!
[10:35am] RandalSchwartz: there are some negative reviews of it
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[10:35am] RandalSchwartz: on the app store
[10:35am] Zeeek: apple fanboys
[10:37am] leifmadsen: I'm a fan fanboy
[10:38am] Reubwen: http://www.ciceronetworks.com/
[10:40am] leifmadsen: I keep hear wifi as wifey
[10:42am] ricko73: mjgraves <-- not on wideband or just far away from phone?
[10:42am] elguero: There is a mailing list, asterisk-video and those guys seem to have video working on asterisk
[10:43am] mjgraves: just off mic
[10:44am] ? RandalSchwartz wanders off to lunch
[10:44am] RandalSchwartz left the chat room.
[10:48am] ? ricko73 wonders who UnixDawg is kidding.  He's not running after just having knee surgery
[10:49am] MaxwellsDaemon: lost audio
[10:49am] ricko73: I have it here
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[10:49am] Maxwells1aemon: well that was fun, lost both internet oc3s at the same time grrrrr
[10:49am] ricko73: nice
[10:50am] mjgraves: go look for the backhoe
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[10:50am] ricko73: bubbawithabackhoe vs fiber...bubba wins
[10:50am] Maxwells1aemon: they are both back up now, they went back up before i could walk over to the CO to look at the equipment
[10:51am] MaxwellsDaemon: anyone else?
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[10:52am] mjgraves: http://www.birdstep.com/Products/Birdstep/Orbyte/
[10:52am] televoip: Wife called.  NOw I have an errand to run.  See ya
[10:52am] ricko73: http://www.birdstep.com/Products/Birdstep/SmartConnect/
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[10:53am] Zeeek: what was that, Halloween?
[10:53am] dcdeadbeat: gotta go for today.  very interesting call today.
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[10:58am] Zeeek: iPico gives nice error and info messages. It also uses a very cool feature of the .COM button saving 4 keystrokes
[11:00am] DFrankel: Draft SILK spec: https://developer.skype.com/silk?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=draft-vos-silk-00.txt
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[11:01am] IdeaSIP: http://www.solicall.com/mydownload.html  The Solicall 'Free Download' addon for softphones.
[11:02am] Zeeek: IdeaSIP: hey neil
[11:02am] IdeaSIP: Howdy, Randy. 
[11:02am] Zeeek: how're thangs?
[11:02am] IdeaSIP: Oh the usual. Still alive and kicking.
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[11:03am] Zeeek: I am SIP-audible on ZipDX on the Touch
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[11:04am] IdeaSIP: g722 over modem?
[11:04am] mjgraves: http://www.mgraves.org/voip/2009/08/considering-wideband-audio-over-the-traditional-pstn/
[11:06am] IdeaSIP: You're coming through loud and clear as far as I can tell, Randy.
[11:06am] mjgraves: IdeaSIP doe you use Solicall?
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[11:07am] IdeaSIP: Have looked at it. But I generally don't use softphones when I can avoid it.
[11:09am] ricko73: I'm back on the call.  Had to take that other phone call for a second and didn't want to put ya'll on 'hold music'
[11:11am] IdeaSIP: You're suddenly much louder.
[11:11am] MaxwellsDaemon: how is the skype bridge working?
[11:13am] IdeaSIP: Sound fine to me.
[11:13am] IdeaSIP: There's some backgound echo like you're in a conference room. But it sounds good.
[11:13am] Zeeek: gotcha
[11:14am] IdeaSIP: Honestly, Randy, you sound worse to me.
[11:14am] IdeaSIP: Sounds more compressed.
[11:15am] MaxwellsDaemon: wish skype made a conference host app
[11:16am] MaxwellsDaemon: have him download icechat or mirc
[11:17am] MaxwellsDaemon: gaim/pidgin sucks as an irc client
[11:17am] MaxwellsDaemon: worst. client. ever.
[11:17am] IdeaSIP: I use Trillian Astra. Seems to work well enough.
[11:18am] MaxwellsDaemon: irc isnt close enough to IM to work well in an IM client in my opinion
[11:18am] IdeaSIP: Not the world's most friendly IRC client for general IRCing, but works fine for a single channel conversation like this.
[11:18am] MaxwellsDaemon: i like my ipod touch, use it for skype a lot
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[11:18am] ricko73: Zeeek: where are you?
[11:19am] pandy: what do you use as a mic on the ipod touch? I didn't think it supported a headset profile???
[11:19am] MaxwellsDaemon: pandy: i bought a mic adapter cable thing
[11:19am] pandy: oh? link?
[11:19am] MaxwellsDaemon: it is essentially a mic with a headphone jack
[11:20am] MaxwellsDaemon: pandy: let me check my amazon history
[11:20am] MaxwellsDaemon: i would say most of us have been on irc for a very long time
[11:20am] pandy: thanks... I may be interested in getting a touch
[11:21am] IdeaSIP: IRC was my first real chat experience outside of a BBS... back in the late 80's.
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[11:21am] MaxwellsDaemon: pandy --> http://www.amazon.com/Griffin-SmartTalk-Headphone-Adapter-Control/dp/B0014AVAPO
[11:21am] MaxwellsDaemon: not available currently though
[11:21am] MaxwellsDaemon: might be through another vendor
[11:22am] pandy: Thanks!
[11:22am] pandy: works good?
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[11:22am] DaveM_: hello?
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[11:22am] MaxwellsDaemon: pandy: i have no complaints
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[11:24am] IdeaSIP: yep
[11:24am] MaxwellsDaemon: much better
[11:25am] IdeaSIP: Not being on the ZipDX bridge, I think it sounds pretty much normal for cellphone quality.
[11:29am] jimd: bye
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[11:29am] fred-tmft: NEW_HANGUP DEBUG: Calling q931_hangup, ourstate Active, peerstate Connect Request
[11:29am] fred-tmft: q931.c:3009 q931_disconnect: call 36413 on channel 3 enters state 11 (Disconnect Request)
[11:29am] fred-tmft: > Protocol Discriminator: Q.931 (8)  len=9
[11:29am] fred-tmft: > Call Ref: len= 2 (reference 3645/0xE3D) (Originator)
[11:29am] fred-tmft: > Message type: DISCONNECT (69)
[11:29am] fred-tmft: > [08 02 81 90]
[11:29am] fred-tmft: > Cause (len= 4) [ Ext: 1  Coding: CCITT (ITU) standard (0)  Spare: 0  Location: Private network serving the local user (1)
[11:29am] fred-tmft: >                  Ext: 1  Cause: Normal Clearing (16), class = Normal Event (1) ]
[11:29am] fred-tmft: < Protocol Discriminator: Q.931 (8)  len=9
[11:29am] fred-tmft: < Call Ref: len= 2 (reference 3645/0xE3D) (Terminator)
[11:30am] fred-tmft: < Message type: RELEASE (77)
[11:30am] fred-tmft: < [08 02 82 90]
[11:30am] fred-tmft: < Cause (len= 4) [ Ext: 1  Coding: CCITT (ITU) standard (0)  Spare: 0  Location: Public network serving the local user (2)
[11:30am] leifmadsen: pastebin's are good for that 
[11:30am] fred-tmft: <                  Ext: 1  Cause: Normal Clearing (16), class = Normal Event (1) ]
[11:30am] IdeaSIP: What pretty little CD and music note sumbols.
[11:30am] fred-tmft: -- Processing IE 8 (cs0, Cause)
[11:30am] fred-tmft: q931.c:3795 q931_receive: call 36413 on channel 3 enters state 0 (Null)
[11:30am] MaxwellsDaemon: i have worked with PRIs quite a bit, but never with asterisk
[11:31am] fred-tmft: can't figure out who hung up first
[11:31am] MaxwellsDaemon: it does say originator and terminator
[11:32am] jsmith: fred-tmft: Looks to me like the other side initiated the hangup
[11:32am] IdeaSIP: I'm on IdeaSIP, obviously. 
[11:33am] fred-tmft: jsmith: thank you. haven't done many of these and doubted myself
[11:33am] jsmith: fred-tmft: If I'm reading it right, the far end sent the DISCONNECT message, and Asterisk responded with a RELEASE... (and later on the telco should have replied to that with a RELEASE COMPLETE)
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[11:34am] MaxwellsDaemon: she parades you out in drag?
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[11:34am] MaxwellsDaemon: jk 
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[11:37am] MaxwellsDaemon: i wanted to try chanskype, but dont want to start using it before we know how the pricing and the features are going to work
[11:38am] Reubwen: I hope they do the same as with the T.38 - one channel free - then payment for the channel #2 and so on.
[11:39am] MaxwellsDaemon: that would be nice
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[11:39am] MaxwellsDaemon: i would like 20 incoming channels and to use it just for running a glorified hosted skype bridge
[11:40am] MaxwellsDaemon: can it log into multiple skype accounts?
[11:40am] MaxwellsDaemon: or is it limited to just 1 user authenticated to the skype network at a time?
[11:41am] maximCH: it can login to multiple accounts
[11:42am] maximCH: I'm running it and have 3 skype users on it
[11:42am] MaxwellsDaemon: awesome 
[11:42am] maximCH: it defo is
[11:42am] maximCH: I'm hoping what Rubin is hoping... one license free when it's in production
[11:42am] MaxwellsDaemon: it does support the chat?
[11:43am] MaxwellsDaemon: and file transfer?
[11:43am] maximCH: I haven't tried that but my guess is no.
[11:45am] jsmith: It's my understanding that it doesn't yet support chat or file transfer or video, but that they're being considered
[11:45am] MaxwellsDaemon: chat and file transfer would be great
[11:45am] Reubwen: but who uses faxed these days?
[11:45am] Reubwen: :-)=
[11:45am] MaxwellsDaemon: video would be nice, but i wouldnt use it most likely
[11:46am] MaxwellsDaemon: we get lots of faxes here