RandalSchwartz:
... http://www.acrobits.cz/products/acrobits-softphone/
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RandalSchwartz: g.711 only looks like
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does anybody do 722?
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RandalSchwartz: cool I will try it. How much?
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no one does 722 apparently
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ekiga is supposed to do G722, but it drops as soon as I connect.
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RandalSchwartz
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looks like $7 or so
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$8
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$7.99
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Zeeek
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floating point error
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DelphiWorld, I would try anything opensource or not.
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RandalSchwartz: since I keep up the reviews, I should get all these people to send me free trial apps
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Zeeek
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but <$10 is pretty easy to spend
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almost like a donation
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have you seen weephone-sip at $5 ?
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Yes I own it
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good bad?
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Zeeek
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it looks like "open source" bug-ugly
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Zeeek
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it works
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Zeeek
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SIngle account (as is iPico)
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RandalSchwartz
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ahh
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Zeeek
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I bet WeePhone pleases open source guys
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I was just going to ask about ipico
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Zeeek
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iPico is the best looking
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Zeeek
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very Mac
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but single account won't do it
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Zeeek
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for me
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media5-fone ?
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hey Gigaset_man
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... http://www.media5corp.com/mobilitysolutions/media5-fone

[09:21am] RandalSchwartz: ... http://www.media5corp.com/mobilitysolutions/media5-fone
[09:21am] Gigaset_man: hello there
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[09:21am] RandalSchwartz: what's g711 a-law
[09:21am] RandalSchwartz: is that better?
[09:21am] Zeeek: no i's the same thing
[09:22am] RandalSchwartz: so u-law and a-law are the same?
[09:22am] Zeeek: alaw is a variation used more in Europe
[09:22am] Zeeek: same characteristics
[09:22am] Zeeek: I think there is one bit in a different place or sthing
[09:22am] Zeeek: someone can maybe give the exact definition
[09:23am] Zeeek: d'oh!
[09:23am] RandalSchwartz: this says it does 722 - http://appshopper.com/utilities/12connect-softphone
[09:23am] RandalSchwartz: err... http://12connect.com/iphonev2/
[09:23am] Zeeek: my dislexia saw that as Asshopper!
[09:24am] mjgraves: http://blog.cat-iq.org/post/2009/08/ooma-Expands-Retail-Presence-at-Brandsmart2c-CompUSA2c-Meijer2c-Nebraska-Furniture-Mart2c-OfficeDepotcom-and-Targetcom.aspx
[09:24am] RandalSchwartz: 711 a-law
[09:24am] RandalSchwartz: 711 u-law
[09:24am] RandalSchwartz: gsm
[09:24am] RandalSchwartz: speex
[09:24am] RandalSchwartz: g.722 (ilbc)
[09:24am] RandalSchwartz: $6
[09:25am] RandalSchwartz: ... http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=322051055&mt=8
[09:25am] RandalSchwartz: multiple identities
[09:25am] RandalSchwartz: in/out band dtmf
[09:25am] RandalSchwartz: nat keep alive
[09:25am] Reubwen: RandalSchwartz: can you configure it with your own SIP accounts?
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[09:25am] Zeeek: RandalSchwartz: excellent research
[09:26am] RandalSchwartz: yes - looks like it
[09:26am] Zeeek: thanks for all those
[09:26am] steelyglint: Zeek, was that me that had the music ?
[09:26am] RandalSchwartz: try these, let me know, and I'll buy one 
[09:26am] RandalSchwartz: what's ilbc g.722
[09:26am] Zeeek: no Tim it was jervin
[09:26am] RandalSchwartz: is that wideband?
[09:26am] DFrankel: Gigaset uses cat-IQ
[09:26am] RandalSchwartz: would that work with zipdx?
[09:26am] Zeeek: ilbc is one codec
[09:26am] Zeeek: 722 is another
[09:26am] RandalSchwartz: they have them on same line.
[09:27am] steelyglint: 722 is a _load_ of codecs!
[09:27am] Zeeek: g722 should work with zipdx
[09:27am] RandalSchwartz: ahh
[09:27am] Zeeek: ya
[09:27am] RandalSchwartz: so this could be a wideband solution
[09:27am] Zeeek: could
[09:27am] RandalSchwartz: for $6
[09:27am] Zeeek: with a crap iPhone mic?
[09:27am] RandalSchwartz: iphone 3g mic is a lot better than iphone original
[09:28am] RandalSchwartz: I've done voiceovers with it 
[09:28am] DFrankel: The most popular codec is G.722.
[09:28am] DFrankel: At least in "hard" phones.
[09:28am] RandalSchwartz: I should just get this, and call in to the zipdx
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[09:29am] DFrankel: DelphiWorld: I'm not familair with "selt"?
[09:30am] steelyglint: Skype is pushing SILK - there is also SPEEX
[09:30am] DFrankel: And there's Siren (Polycom)
[09:30am] steelyglint: BAsic 722 is pretty dumb algorythm
[09:30am] DFrankel: Polycom has G.722 in their wideband phones, as well as some others.
[09:30am] mjgraves: http://hdconnectnow.org/resources/presentations-at-the-first-hd-communications-conference-may-21-2009-new-york-city/
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[09:31am] mjgraves: HDCOnnect presentations http://tr.im/wpkG
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[09:31am] mjgraves: FWD is truly winding down
[09:32am] Gigaset_man joined the chat room.
[09:32am] mjgraves: no, winding down their service
[09:32am] mjgraves: not taking new accounts
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[09:32am] mjgraves: just permitting existing users to renew
[09:33am] mjgraves: take your pick
[09:33am] Zeeek: mjgraves: are you going to renew?
[09:33am] mjgraves: OnSIP /Junction Networks, SIPGate, IdeaSIP just to name a few
[09:33am] Zeeek: TS:12 / ZipDX:17
[09:33am] mjgraves: no need to renew since I have other SIP registrars already
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[09:34am] Zeeek: yeah Sipgate KILLS FWD and other free offerings
[09:34am] Zeeek: as does OnSIP
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[09:34am] steelyglint: Doug What is happening in the Cellphone space?
[09:36am] Zeeek: steelyglint: it'll be asked RSN 
[09:37am] dcdeadbeat: Comcast's voice products travel on their own private network, not their internet backbone
[09:37am] Zeeek: you guys on ZipDX all sound great!
[09:37am] Zeeek: I'm so low quality...
[09:38am] Zeeek: my audio self-esteem has reached bottom
[09:38am] dcdeadbeat: Zeeek:  you are not low quality...you are pre-HD
[09:38am] Zeeek: ty 
[09:38am] maximCH: Zeeek: why you not HD?
[09:38am] Zeeek: or in my case, post
[09:38am] Zeeek: No g722 client for OS X
[09:39am] maximCH: oh .. you still traveling?
[09:39am] Zeeek: yes we have long vacations in France
[09:39am] Zeeek: 4 weeks plus the extra week to catch up when you get back 
[09:39am] steelyglint: Zeek, I'll have to hack one up for you.
[09:39am] maximCH: hahaa
[09:39am] Zeeek: steelyglint: you have one?
[09:39am] Zeeek: the only known one doesn't work well
[09:40am] steelyglint: No but it would be easy to add to Phonefromhere applet.
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[09:40am] Zeeek: I think it was called "phone" ?
[09:40am] steelyglint: few days work.
[09:40am] Zeeek: what are you using?
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[09:40am] Zeeek: Is Dave Michaels on the call?
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[09:41am] steelyglint: now I'm on skype -> SFA -> ZDX - on g711 I am afraid.
[09:41am] maxim is now known as maximCH.
[09:41am] Zeeek: ahhhhhhhh
[09:41am] maximCH: Zeeek: we don't have a skype bridge today?
[09:41am] Zeeek: yes I believe there is
[09:41am] maximCH: wouldn't that be HD?
[09:41am] Zeeek: no
[09:41am] steelyglint: Sure zdx.phonefromhere.com
[09:41am] maximCH: right
[09:42am] maximCH: it's not
[09:42am] Zeeek: although Tim usually sounds good on it
[09:42am] steelyglint: had to change the name.
[09:42am] Zeeek: aha
[09:42am] steelyglint: skype:zdx.phonefromhere.com
[09:43am] mjgraves: contact Dan Behringer
[09:44am] mjgraves: sorr Berninger
[09:44am] steelyglint: gotta go.. bye guys....
[09:44am] Zeeek: ok tim
[09:44am] Zeeek: The question will be asked
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[09:46am] mjgraves: hit the web site, the address is there
[09:46am] mjgraves: they also email you when you're about to expire
[09:47am] mjgraves: yes
[09:47am] maximCH: http://www.voicetrading.com/en/calling-rates.html
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[09:47am] maximCH: cheap wholesale rates
[09:47am] maximCH: friend of mine works in a telecom and he was impressed with those rates
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[09:48am] maximCH: so if you pay 13 cents ... look what they're paying
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[09:49am] Zeeek: to be clear I am not paing 13 cents for anything! except Orange prepay cell
[09:50am] RandalSchwartz: *prev* a lent
[09:50am] RandalSchwartz: not pre *va* let
[09:50am] Zeeek: if you pre-vail...
[09:50am] Zeeek: you'll be prevalent
[09:50am] RandalSchwartz: US wireless carriers are going to do the least possible thing
[09:50am] RandalSchwartz: always
[09:50am] Zeeek: RandalSchwartz:  no they'll make deals with Apple
[09:51am] RandalSchwartz: just enough to not piss off so many people so they'll leave
[09:51am] RandalSchwartz: as in, who are you going to switch to?  they're all bad. 
[09:51am] Zeeek: yeah
[09:51am] RandalSchwartz: as they say on mac break weekly, us cellphone customer service motto: "*We're* not happy until *you're* not happ!"
[09:52am] Zeeek: RandalSchwartz: we say that here too
[09:52am] Zeeek: I heard Merlin Mann and had to grab that line
[09:53am] Zeeek: handsets are a little like cars
[09:53am] RandalSchwartz: without the good backseat for making out
[09:53am] RandalSchwartz: so they're like smartcars.
[09:53am] Zeeek: Unlike software that you can change and improve daily, hardward has long cycles
[09:54am] Zeeek: where can we go after video and HD Voice?
[09:54am] Zeeek: rectal sensors?
[09:54am] RandalSchwartz: verizon at least has CDMA, so you can *use* it in the city. 
[09:54am] RandalSchwartz: GSM sucks
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[09:55am] DaveM_: Did I hear Pin Drop?
[09:55am] Zeeek: hey DaveM_
[09:56am] RandalSchwartz: ... http://merlyn.posterous.com/leave-me-a-message-thanks-to-google-voice
[09:57am] mjgraves: nto protocol specific, could be either
[09:57am] RandalSchwartz: yeah northwest!
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[09:58am] Zeeek: http://hdconnectnow.org/
[09:59am] Zeeek: Events: http://hdconnectnow.org/events/
[09:59am] Zeeek: DaveM_: is that you on ZipDX?
[10:00am] Zeeek: I mean Talkshoe?
[10:00am] mjgraves: here's the scoop at ength
[10:00am] mjgraves: http://www.mgraves.org/voip/2009/06/how-to-series-making-use-of-wideband-voice-right-now/
[10:00am] mjgraves: refers to several alternatives to FWD
[10:02am] Zeeek: good question
[10:02am] DaveM_: i am on talk shoe
[10:02am] Zeeek: you need to be unmuted?
[10:03am] DaveM_: no
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[10:03am] Zeeek: DaveM_: well then stay muted!
[10:03am] DaveM_: if only you can hear what i was saying
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[10:03am] Zeeek: are you mumbling again?
[10:04am] Traveler2: hd
[10:05am] mjgraves: what...you thought we'd solve all those problems here on today's call?
[10:05am] RandalSchwartz: all phones should have a full unicode keyboard
[10:05am] RandalSchwartz: "my phone number is left-hand smileyface right-hand"
[10:05am] _3vian: its called a directory!
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[10:11am] Zeeek: glacier, fjord, wow all these sexual analogies!
[10:11am] Zeeek: train going into the tunnel, rocket raising up to take off...
[10:12am] Zeeek: I fell like I'm watching "Dream On"
[10:13am] JimCifarelli: Dream On was great!
[10:13am] Ottone: Over here in Germany 18 is just fine - you self-centered Americans! 
[10:14am] Zeeek: 18 is ok
[10:14am] RandalSchwartz: found these by searching "sip" or "voip" in appshopper.com
[10:14am] RandalSchwartz: my favorite iphone site
[10:14am] JimCifarelli: Anyone ever get a call from FindToto.com? (mass calling around an address to find a pet)
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[10:15am] JimCifarelli: Not a bad business model (10-30 cents a call)
[10:17am] RandalSchwartz: red wine or white?
[10:18am] Zeeek: both
[10:18am] Zeeek: mixed with run and gin
[10:18am] RandalSchwartz: run?
[10:19am] Zeeek: rhum
[10:19am] J-MN: findtoto says they don't call people on the do-not-call list
[10:19am] Zeeek: it's my favorite
[10:20am] J-MN: First thing in the FAQ sais that
[10:20am] Zeeek: http://www.call4mac.com
[10:20am] dcdeadbeat: for my zip code 20001 they recommend th $325 package
[10:20am] Zeeek: ^^^^^ iSiphone
[10:20am] _3vian: . What if Findtoto calls a neighbor that subscribes to the National Do Not Call (DNC) Registry?
[10:20am] _3vian: Our service is classified and registered as an exempt organization by the DNC.
[10:21am] Zeeek: iSiphone http://www.call4mac.com/
[10:22am] RandalSchwartz: weird
[10:23am] Zeeek: what's weird?
[10:23am] RandalSchwartz: no wideband
[10:26am] JimCifarelli: J-Min: DMA (Direct Marketing Association) list?  Is the same as DNC?
[10:27am] J-MN: I guess not after reading the FAQ.  The appear to be exempt from the DNC list.
[10:27am] J-MN: They don't call DMA list members
[10:27am] J-MN: dma=Direct Marketing Assoc.
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[10:28am] JimCifarelli: I've added myself on the DNC, not familiar with teh DMA... is this another service to register?
[10:29am] JimCifarelli: I'm wondering if the DMA is for residential numbers or for business?
[10:29am] J-MN: Check out the faq at findtoto.com for more info on the DMA.'
[10:29am] JimCifarelli: thanks.
[10:31am] JimCifarelli: Wow.  the-dma.org, actually costs $$ to join.
[10:33am] RandalSchwartz: ... http://support.gizmo5.com/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=viewarticle&kbarticleid=61
[10:33am] RandalSchwartz: looks like gizmo has isac pcmu ipcm
[10:33am] RandalSchwartz: they claim those are all wideband
[10:34am] RandalSchwartz: what's the wideband SIP?  I wanna try listening on gizmo
[10:36am] ricko73: RandalSchwartz: 200901@login.zipdx.com
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[10:36am] J-MN: Where can one find the comcast info for the twincities?
[10:37am] RandalSchwartz: Hmm. sip:200901@login.zipdx.com isn't doing anything
[10:37am] mjgraves: Gizmo won't do it
[10:37am] JimCifarelli: Has anyone seen the Verizon adds for getting a lower cost netbook with a 2-year data plan?
[10:37am] mjgraves: It doesn't support the right codec
[10:37am] RandalSchwartz: ahh.  too bad.
[10:37am] JimCifarelli: I'd imagine hitting the 5Gb limit with youtube.com in a day or two!
[10:37am] RandalSchwartz: gizmo has isac, pcmu, ipcm
[10:37am] RandalSchwartz: none of those
[10:38am] RandalSchwartz: ?
[10:38am] RandalSchwartz: ok
[10:38am] ricko73: J-MN: comcast 'extreme' service is currently 50Mbps/10Mbps
[10:39am] ricko73: http://www.comcast.com/Corporate/Learn/HighSpeedInternet/speedcomparison.html
[10:39am] dcdeadbeat: ricko73:  it depends upon where you live.  here in DC it is 50/4
[10:40am] RandalSchwartz: wow gizmo to the 711 bridge is horrible
[10:40am] ricko73: RandalSchwartz: I believe the 'eyebeam' is the best client to use for wideband
[10:40am] RandalSchwartz: talkshoe web client is far better
[10:41am] J-MN: ricko73: Thanks!
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[10:44am] JimCifarelli: We've discussed speech to text often...just found Google Indexing (search video timeline based on dialogue) http://labs.google.com/gaudi
[10:44am] Ottone: G.711 ?-law tends to give more resolution to higher range signals while G.711 A-law provides more quantization levels at lower signal levels.
[10:44am] JimCifarelli: pretty cool
[10:45am] Ottone: Stole it from Wikipedia, I should add
[10:45am] RandalSchwartz: wikip ftw
[10:45am] dcdeadbeat: americans need louder conversations
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[10:47am] dcdeadbeat: gotta go for today.
[10:47am] Ottone: This has a good graph with ualw vs alaw (alaw was intentionally designed to use less computing power): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%9C-law_algorithm
[10:48am] RandalSchwartz: I can't keep my firefox running.. I'm outta here.
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[10:51am] televoip: I wasn't very chatty today.  Now I have to go.  See ya.
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