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[6:01pm] e4voip:        http://twitpic.com/dqwjk    
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[6:01pm] e4voip: There is the rig i'm using...
[6:01pm] Qwell: e4voip: wow, that just screams "Cisco!"
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[6:02pm] Zeeek: danyork: let me know if you need to be unmuted
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[6:02pm] danyork: The PhoneFromHere widget isn't working for me
[6:02pm] Zeeek: me neither
[6:03pm] Zeeek: danyork: but we tweeted the wrong dshort URL
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[6:03pm] MaxwellsDemon: i have always been curious about the pbx option for the cisco "for small business" voip phones
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[6:03pm] MaxwellsDemon: if it was any good
[6:03pm] Zeeek: Does this work ? http://tr.im/2009g722
[6:03pm] danyork: Zeeek: I used the link from the VUC web page
[6:03pm] steely_glint: try the link I put in up the irc here
[6:03pm] Zeeek: that *should work
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[6:04pm] Zeeek: steely_glint: that's the one I have I think - I'll go look
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[6:04pm] dcdeadbeat: MaxwellsDemon: they work ok but if you can afford it make the jump to a CallManager Express (if you must use a Cisco system)
[6:05pm] Zeeek: this is the link I posted:
[6:05pm] Qwell: Are the handsets on these Sipuras heavy like Cisco handsets?
[6:05pm] Zeeek:        http://api.phonefromhere.com/gateway/zdx.xsql?conference=200901    
[6:05pm] steely_glint: should be right
[6:06pm] MaxwellsDemon: dcdeadbeat: i was wondering just from a cheap small business pbx point of view.  i would probably use asterisk personally, but i have always been curious as to if it was a decent product for non technical people to deploy
[6:06pm] danyork: Hi, I just joined
[6:07pm] danyork: via dial-in
[6:07pm] danyork: without a pin
[6:07pm] dcdeadbeat: it's fine but Cisco is working with small businesses right now to get them cheaply into CallManager Express so you may be able to get it for low cost (right now)
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[6:07pm] jtodd: And this is the longest-running person named "John Todd" attending a VoIP conference.... IN THE WORLD.
[6:07pm] steely_glint: I'd love to know what problems folks had with the phonefromhere.com widget.
[6:08pm] grandpapadot: Me!
[6:08pm] grandpapadot: Invite to google voice ...
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[6:08pm] jtodd: Karaoke.
[6:08pm] TDF: switch to pbiaf
[6:08pm] grandpapadot: I would like an invoit.
[6:08pm] MaxwellsDemon: i like the karaoke option
[6:08pm] Qwell: they were giving out invites like candy not long ago
[6:08pm] ricko73: UnixDawg_: here's your invoice...
[6:08pm] DFrankel: Mike, it looks like your SPA508G switched from G.722 to G.711 when we issued a re-INVITE to it.
[6:08pm] MaxwellsDemon: but i have a GV account already
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[6:09pm] _ShrikE:        daw@xpance.net    
[6:09pm] grandpapadot:        bkervaski@heavylogic.com    
[6:09pm] _ShrikE: please
[6:09pm] UnixDawg_:        r.neese@gmail.com    
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[6:09pm] e4voip: Nice!
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[6:10pm] danyork: steely_glint: the Phonefromhere.com widget said "Ringing..." and then it said "Hung up"
[6:10pm] leifmadsen: what's I miss?! 
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[6:10pm] Zeeek: danyork:  Mac OS X SL ?
[6:10pm] leifmadsen: what'd
[6:10pm] Zeeek: russellb_: is unmuted
[6:11pm] Zeeek: I think
[6:11pm] e4voip: Oh no..
[6:11pm] leifmadsen: I lost audio... yay
[6:11pm] Qwell: Who's still using FPM? 
[6:11pm] ricko73: old skool moh
[6:11pm] russellb_: it could have at least been the new MoH files 
[6:11pm] Qwell: Time to upgrade to OPSound
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[6:11pm] leifmadsen: whoever was just talking can mute themselves...
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[6:12pm] danyork: steely_glint: Using Firefox on Mac OS X Leopard (not Snow Leopard)
[6:12pm] Zeeek: If you are on Talkshoe and need to be unmuted TELL ME NOW
[6:13pm] ricko73: Qwell: does Asterisk-1.4.26.2 asterisk.makeopts accept MOH-OPSOUND-XXX options?
[6:13pm] leifmadsen: I do not
[6:13pm] ricko73: 1.4.26.1 doesn't
[6:13pm] Qwell: ricko73: what do you mean?
[6:13pm] leifmadsen: back in a few mins -- grabbing lunch with the g/f
[6:13pm] jtodd: g/f? What? That's not allowed here.
[6:14pm] leifmadsen: sorry, my apologies!
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[6:14pm] leifmadsen: I just have to try and not rip her and let the air out on the way
[6:14pm] russellb_: 1.4.26.2 should ...
[6:14pm] jtodd: zeeek: No, he's in there.  http://www.astricon.net/confDescriptions.aspx?t=TT#TT-08
[6:14pm] ricko73: Qwell: asterisk.makeopts has the MENUSELECT_XXX options you can specify
[6:14pm] leifmadsen: Zeeek: please keep me muted
[6:15pm] Zeeek: jtodd: I saw the talk but not the speaker entry
[6:15pm] jtodd: leifmadsen: Well, at least she's a cheap lunch date.  Doesn't eat much.
[6:15pm] ricko73: such as MENUSELECT_MOH=MOH-OPSOUND-ULAW etc etc
[6:15pm] ricko73: 1.4.26.1 didn't know what to do with those
[6:15pm] NerdUno: OK. You should have your Google Voice invites now. Let me know if you didn't receive them.
[6:15pm] Qwell: ricko73: works here..
[6:15pm] ricko73: it falls back to the older MOH files
[6:15pm] ricko73: I'll test here in a bit
[6:16pm] Zeeek: 25 on the ZipDX bridge
[6:16pm] Zeeek: 11 callers on Talkshoe
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[6:16pm] grandpapadot: Hey I got a google voice number ending in "VOIP" lol! Thanks guys!
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[6:16pm] Zeeek: grandpapadot: cool!
[6:17pm] jtodd: Mute the background!
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[6:17pm] e4voip: Nice turnout today
[6:17pm] jtodd: Zeeek: See if you can mute that background noise.
[6:17pm] Zeeek: indeed
[6:18pm] ricko73: self-mute people!
[6:18pm] ricko73: *6
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[6:18pm] ricko73: or that pretty mute button on your phone
[6:19pm] NerdUno: What is the key sequence to mute on the web browser. That may be the problem.
[6:19pm] jtodd: better.
[6:19pm] voipmonk: 7463#22622#pin@proxy.ideasip.com ?
[6:19pm] Zeeek: MUCH BETTER
[6:19pm] Zeeek: voipmonk: yes
[6:19pm] voipmonk: says the pin isnt right
[6:19pm] jtodd: voipmonk: that should work.  Do you have a PIN number?
[6:20pm] Zeeek: wis the pin yours?
[6:20pm] Zeeek: use 8005551212
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[6:21pm] Zeeek: NerdUno: thanks Ward, I'm sure you've made three psople happy 
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[6:22pm] Zeeek: DFrankel: hi David, nice to see you again
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[6:23pm] DFrankel: Howdy Zeekster.
[6:23pm] voipmonk: my pin is not recognized or is being used by another user
[6:23pm] Zeeek: Just to get it in the transcript, here's Ward Mundy's Nerd Vittles, great site: http://nerdvittles.com/
[6:23pm] voipmonk: when I dial 7463#22622#pin@proxy.ideasip.com
[6:24pm] Zeeek: voipmonk:  you did replace 'pin' with a ten-digit number?
[6:24pm] russellb_: the point about trunking is a very good one
[6:24pm] russellb_: I bet they have just never used the protocol that way, since it has always been end user client to end user client
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[6:26pm] Ottone: Are there any firewall rules available for admin to allow "good" Skype operation?
[6:27pm] russellb_: Is Tim on IRC?
[6:27pm] • russellb_ looks around
[6:27pm] Ottone: icecast
[6:27pm] Ottone: nope
[6:27pm] voipmonk: no i did not
[6:27pm] voipmonk: I dialed just as it is displayed on the website and in the topic here
[6:27pm] MaxwellsDemon: Ottone: skype tends to be pretty good about getting through firewalls
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[6:28pm] Ottone: Yes, but if you lock down your firewall and you WANT SFA to work then you better configure the firewall instead of just hoping things work...
[6:28pm] Qwell: They could call in.
[6:29pm] russellb_: Qwell: lol, that's what I was thinking
[6:29pm] voipmonk: how do u call into the conference? with the sip uri?
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[6:30pm] danyork: Sadly... I've got to drop off as a call just came in.
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[6:30pm] ricko73: Zeeek: that's mjgraves in much less then jtodd quality audio
[6:30pm] Zeeek: voipmonk: 7463#22622#nnnnnnnnnn@proxy.ideasip.com
[6:31pm] Zeeek: danyork: sorry you couldn't tell us about the show you're going to!
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[6:31pm] securevoip: russelb_, Does SfA mean that ONE SkypeIn number can receive multiple concurrent calls???
[6:31pm] Zeeek: ricko73: LOL
[6:32pm] russellb_: securevoip: I have not worked on SfA, so I don't know, sorry.
[6:32pm] jeffg: securevoip, i think that would be a question for skype
[6:32pm] russellb_: or just try it and see?  
[6:32pm] jeffg: yup
[6:32pm] Ottone: Icecast streaming for Asterisk: Uses either mp3 or Vorbis, see http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+cmd+Ices
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[6:33pm] MaxwellsDemon: securevoip: my understanding is that it can as long as you buy multiple channel licenses, but i might be wrong.  not running SFA due to high pricing
[6:33pm] kfife: 31 participants on ZipDX.  Is this a high water mark?
[6:33pm] carrar_: iPhone Bubble!!
[6:33pm] securevoip: russelb_, who should I call @digium to get this answered?
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[6:34pm] dcdeadbeat: the developer does it
[6:34pm] Qwell: People should just switch away from iPhone and move to Android-based phones.
[6:35pm] Qwell: Problem solved.
[6:35pm] Zeeek: knee jerk 
[6:35pm] grandpapadot: They can toggle it when then rebuild the package for the store .. you can't "hack" around it and sneak it in .. Also, they can just omit the 3g libs from the repack
[6:35pm] kfife: Qwell: or the sharp "boss" based phones 
[6:35pm] Qwell: Zeeek: well, voip apps are possible for android 
[6:35pm] kfife: remember th ose things?  From the 80's
[6:35pm] securevoip: S675IP and an A58H accessory handset:  "The winner will need to identify a short piece of music and the album it comes from."  I will not be the winner...  
[6:35pm] MaxwellsDemon: i didnt know you had to send them the source code
[6:36pm] CompleteTech: volume seems to b going up and down
[6:36pm] dcdeadbeat: let me guess it will be a Beatles song
[6:37pm] MaxwellsDemon: securevoip: any of the sales guys at digium should be able to answer your SFA question
[6:38pm] • jeffg would have bought twice as many at half the unit cost 
[6:38pm] kfife: $66 really isn't that bad.
[6:38pm] jeffg: nope
[6:38pm] kfife: I'm surprised anyone's complaining.
[6:38pm] dcdeadbeat: $666 would be bad
[6:38pm] ricko73: you gotta pay for the support somehow
[6:38pm] MaxwellsDemon: jeffg: i would have bought $200-300 in channels if it was 20/channel or less
[6:38pm] kfife: dcdeadbeat: that would be 'devilishly' bad
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[6:39pm] Zeeek: that would be like moving between 729 to 711 and back
[6:40pm] MaxwellsDemon: oh i could definitely see a need for skype trunking
[6:40pm] Zeeek: $3696 and nothing on!
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[6:41pm] Zeeek: uk-david as in ukddi ?
[6:41pm] Qwell: uk-david on IRC?  Scary.
[6:41pm] Zeeek: no david duffet?
[6:42pm] uk-david: It took me a long time to figure out how to hook up - yes, it's David Duffett
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[6:42pm] Zeeek: uk-david: can you join us Sept 18 to talk about your book?
[6:42pm] uk-david: @Zeeek - yes Randy, it's me
[6:42pm] leifmadsen: uk-david: Mr. Duffett!
[6:42pm] voipmonk: hrmm
[6:42pm] kfife: not having network control it seems like the would have to worry about their calls 'sucking'
[6:43pm] kfife:                          
[6:43pm] uk-david: @leifmadsen Hey Leif
[6:43pm] e4voip: Skype for Switchvox...  Yes please..
[6:43pm] leifmadsen: kfife: not having network control allows you to blame someone else 
[6:43pm] GettingPizza: Any airline service is "Best Effort"
[6:43pm] Zeeek: leifmadsen: amen!
[6:44pm] uk-david: leifmadsen: Hello Leif
[6:44pm] kfife: leifmadsen: indeed "Skype sucks" sounds far better than "I Suck"
[6:44pm] ricko73:        http://www.620wtmj.com/podcasts/charlie_sykes_podcast/56924542.html?video=pop&t=a    
[6:44pm] Ottone: How about SIP for Skype?
[6:45pm] grandpapadot: Ottone: lol
[6:45pm] leifmadsen: shouldn't the conference server be auto-mute?
[6:46pm] UnixDawg_: sorry I had to get on the freswitch conf as I amd the porter for bsd
[6:46pm] Ottone: Trying to spoil the party a bit 
[6:46pm] UnixDawg_: sorry
[6:47pm] Ottone: Sounds like a call from the moon
[6:47pm] securevoip: http://tinyurl.com/lh6lv3 seems to indicate that
[6:47pm] securevoip: Skype For Asterisk Single Channel supports multiple concurrent Skype calls from the same Skype account
[6:47pm] jtodd: Yeah, that sounds like LPC10.
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[6:47pm] ricko73: must be an iphone
[6:47pm] leifmadsen: lol
[6:47pm] leifmadsen: 0.1 jtodd
[6:47pm] _ShrikE: mos
[6:47pm] Ottone: MOS
[6:47pm] ricko73: crappy
[6:47pm] Ottone: Kate Moss
[6:47pm] jeffg: mean opinion score
[6:47pm] jeffg: heh
[6:47pm] ricko73: POS?
[6:48pm] dcdeadbeat: .01 Kate Moss unites
[6:48pm] ricko73: jtodd 2.0?
[6:48pm] jeffg: expose that via RTPC
[6:48pm] Zeeek: mjgraves is 0.2 jtodds
[6:48pm] Ottone: hehe
[6:49pm] jtodd: awww, you guys are the best.
[6:49pm] kfife: My mistake: SQF is used for photography
[6:49pm] Ottone: Competition with SIP for Skype?
[6:49pm] jtodd: I gotta run - another call starting for me.
[6:49pm] Qwell: Ottone: SIP for Skype is used for a different purpose.
[6:49pm] jeffg: hmm, wal-mart's new logo is an asterisk... coincidence?
[6:49pm] MaxwellsDemon: if i were going to use the skype channels for a profit, 66 wouldnt be bad
[6:50pm] MaxwellsDemon: but i am not
[6:50pm] Ottone: Qwell: You have some details? Because I am not clear on that
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[6:50pm] Qwell: Ottone: IIRC, you can't take calls from Skype users.
[6:50pm] Ottone: Oh? Outbound only?
[6:51pm] kfife: Zeeek: we were up to 31 ZipDX participants.  Is that a new record?
[6:51pm] ricko73: in wideband or via cell phone?
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[6:51pm] CompleteTech: where are the stats at?
[6:52pm] Ottone: LD call, rather VLD
[6:52pm] ricko73: Zeeek: I think he's talking about the ZipDX participant numbers
[6:52pm] Ottone: very low definition
[6:52pm] steely_glint: Russellb_ - Yep I'm Tim - and here 
[6:52pm] Qwell: steely_glint: he ran off to lunch
[6:52pm] Ottone: Is it still in beta?
[6:52pm] CompleteTech: where the 31 ZipDX participants..
[6:53pm] CompleteTech: thanks!
[6:53pm] CompleteTech: working on 2 pc's and listening to call and talking on another
[6:53pm] Zeeek: it's on the phone CID line
[6:54pm] Zeeek: and on the control panel
[6:54pm] Zeeek: the phone display
[6:54pm] JDBalogh:        http://www.skype.com/business/form/sip-beta/     
[6:54pm] Ottone: Skype for SIP Beta allows you to connect your existing standards-based (SIP) communications infrastructure to the Skype community and, at the same time, take advantage of Skype's competitive global calling rates.
[6:54pm] jeffg:        http://blogs.digium.com/2009/03/26/the-rumors-of-our-death/    
[6:54pm] JDBalogh: With Skype for SIP Beta you simply make and receive calls with Skype using the SIP protocol that many phone systems support natively.
[6:54pm] Ottone:        http://www.skype.com/intl/en-gb/business/products/pbx-systems/sip/    
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[6:55pm] Ottone: "You can ... enable free calls from any of Skype's 400+ million registered users."
[6:56pm] NerdUno: Build your own OpenSky server: http://nerdvittles.com/index.php?p=587
[6:56pm] Ottone: So: Outbound to PSTN numbers, Inbound possible the normal way - that's what I understand
[6:57pm] Ottone: Meaning: You cannot call Skype users via SIP (that do not have an "online number" = SkypeIn)
[6:57pm] ricko73: freenum.org
[6:57pm] JDBalogh:        http://mashable.com/2009/02/10/skype-gizmo5-opensky/    
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[6:58pm] kfife: Stephen sounds like Jim
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[6:58pm] yanber: skype_usernamge@opensky.gizmo5.com
[6:58pm] Zeeek: openskyp.gizmo.com
[6:58pm] Zeeek: m
[6:58pm] McPear: Skype for SIP only supports incoming calls (from skype to your SIP PBX), but not the other way around...
[6:58pm] Zeeek:        skypeid@opensky.gizmo.com    
[6:59pm] NerdUno: Correct. OpenSky is SipToSIS
[6:59pm] kfife: McPear: good info
[6:59pm] JDBalogh: Randy, you missed the "5"
[6:59pm] ricko73: siptosis still sounds like a liver condition
[6:59pm] Zeeek: skypeid@opensky.gizmo5.com
[6:59pm] kfife: McPear: nothing like sip:username@sip.skype.com
[6:59pm] • leifmadsen heads off to do some bug testing
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[6:59pm] JDBalogh: yanber already got it right
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[7:00pm] kfife: Zeeek: should we touch on the USF?  8.9% for VOIP, but roughly 2% for mobile phones.S
[7:01pm] Ottone: Pricing is starting at 22 USD/channel for SIP to Skype, so 1/3 of SfA pricing
[7:01pm] McPear: kfife: No, in that case everyone would do it and their "network" would collaps...
[7:01pm] ricko73: kfife: why don't we do that as a separate recording
[7:01pm] CompleteTech: 7 am or pm??
[7:01pm] Zeeek: kfife: hold on with that
[7:01pm] ricko73: such it's such a different topic
[7:01pm] kfife: sounds good.
[7:01pm] NerdUno: If you want to test OpenSKy, use this URI: nerdvittles@opensky.gizmo5.com
[7:01pm] ricko73: since it's such a different topic
[7:01pm] Zeeek: NerdUno:  cool i will in a bit
[7:01pm] securevoip: you have to have a gizmo account in order to use opensky, right?
[7:02pm] Ottone: Oops: 22 USD/channel AND month!
[7:02pm] NerdUno: don't think so
[7:02pm] Ottone: Now that's expensive
[7:02pm] securevoip: NerdUno, is your "don't think so" in ref to my question?
[7:03pm] NerdUno: about whether you need a gizmo account
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[7:08pm] Zeeek: does anyone need to be unmuted?
[7:09pm] maximCH: what type of tax we talking about? I must have missed the beginning
[7:09pm] maximCH: like state sales tax?
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[7:10pm] NerdUno: USF
[7:10pm] dcdeadbeat: I have a $10/month cell phone from Sprint that is $18 after taxes
[7:11pm] CompleteTech: dcdeadbeat: some hookup's from the old sprintgurus.com site???
[7:11pm] MaxwellsDemon: commercial radio stations pay ascap/bmi/etc...
[7:11pm] MaxwellsDemon: but so do web stations
[7:12pm] MaxwellsDemon: or are supposed to
[7:12pm] dcdeadbeat: CompleteTech:no, it was an old Free and Clear retention plan from almost 10 years ago.  Sprint let's me keep it
[7:12pm] CompleteTech: sweet.
[7:12pm] maximCH: we should just move all voip providers and radio stations to china
[7:12pm] dcdeadbeat: CompleteTech:  the rate doesn't go up but the taxes and USF does
[7:13pm] JDBalogh: If I buy PSTN connectivity from a carrier (they charge USF), and then resell it: do I charge USF again? (Ie: double-taxation)
[7:13pm] CompleteTech: dcdeadbeat: u gotta love it!  $10 a month is awesome.  I thought I was hooked up with what I got.  but it's nothing compaired to that
[7:14pm] maximCH: currently I use justvoip.com anyway... they don't charge any taxes
[7:15pm] CompleteTech: maximCH: hows justvoip.com.....
[7:15pm] maximCH: I'm happy with them
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[7:15pm] maximCH: just like all the betamax providers
[7:15pm] MaxwellsDemon: it never fails
[7:15pm] maximCH:        http://backsla.sh/betamax    
[7:16pm] MaxwellsDemon: every time today the conversation has reached something i want to listen to, someone bursts into my office
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[7:16pm] Zeeek: MaxwellsDemon: we're recording, never fear 
[7:16pm] Qwell: I parted just as I was reading a sentence..  not sure who said it.  Wouldn't it be triple-taxation?  Surely the PRI provider the ITSP is using is also charging them USF?
[7:16pm] e4voip: anyone from Azkozia here?
[7:17pm] televoip: MaxwellsDemon: I never seem to be able to get to the conference until it is over.  I'm glad Rady records them.
[7:17pm] televoip: *Randy
[7:17pm] kfife: How mad are you?  Rate yourself in JTAF (John Todd Anger Factor).  THat guy's 1.5 JTAF's
[7:18pm] kfife:                          
[7:18pm] Zeeek: whle I go to the pp room...
[7:20pm] Zeeek: JTAF 
[7:20pm] CompleteTech: wtf..$0.10/min....I need to sign up for something like that! 
[7:21pm] Zeeek: DARTH
[7:21pm] CompleteTech: i could use a few good beers from it
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[7:24pm] steely_glint: Guys I've gotta dash - Hope to see you at HDComms or Astricon.
[7:24pm] kfife: steely_glint: ciao
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[7:25pm] steely_glint: Feed back on the phonefromhere.com widget to tim@phonefromhere.com please !
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[7:26pm] securevoip: uk-david, are the source IPs for the UKDDI service documented anywhere?
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[7:27pm] Zeeek: securevoip: that's not the salme david AFAIK
[7:27pm] Zeeek: K
[7:27pm] Zeeek: oops
[7:27pm] dcdeadbeat: the N800 was a concession to Xohm, now Clear
[7:28pm] jeffg: PDX, ATL, LAS all have Clear
[7:28pm] CompleteTech: anyone else get a Dreamwave/YeaLink d28 yet besides me?
[7:28pm] dcdeadbeat: WimaX is available in Baltimore, DC, Las Vegas, and a few other areas
[7:28pm] Zeeek: CompleteTech: what is it?
[7:28pm] CompleteTech:        http://www.yealink.com/en/view.asp?ClassLayer=100    
[7:28pm] • jeffg uses Clear WiMAX in ATL with wireline broadband equivalent performance
[7:29pm] CompleteTech: it is a nice phone.  this is the longest i have been able to be on it.  it is g722 supportive...but seems like i am always working
[7:29pm] dcdeadbeat: silence
[7:29pm] CompleteTech: i would say something if i wansnt on the other phone trying to talk and listen to the conf... 
[7:30pm] e4voip: Looks like I may be getting a cloud Telecomputers "Glass" Phone ...  http://www.cloudtelecomputers.com/
[7:31pm] maximCH: hey Zeeek... a long time ago back in winter you were using a web page for an online music jam session ... do you remember that site?
[7:31pm] maximCH: you found it like at 9pm european time here on the conference.
[7:31pm] Zeeek: fraid not!
[7:31pm] ricko73: maximCH: I remember that, but don't remember the site
[7:31pm] Zeeek: let me think
[7:32pm] Zeeek: therre was an app client
[7:32pm] maximCH: I will be getting an electronic drumset and want to try that out...
[7:33pm] Zeeek: it was before we had IRC transcripts
[7:34pm] Zeeek: let me see if I can find it
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[7:35pm] maximCH: I was driving in the mountains...
[7:35pm] CompleteTech: besides this call.. is there anyway to test how this dreamwave phone using g722 sounds???
[7:36pm] Zeeek: call wbdemo@conf.zipdx.com
[7:36pm] CompleteTech: me?
[7:36pm] Zeeek: CompleteTech: ^^^^^^^^
[7:36pm] Zeeek: ya
[7:36pm] CompleteTech: k
[7:36pm] maximCH: yeah.. to test
[7:36pm] CompleteTech: once call is done i am gonna give it a shot
[7:36pm] Zeeek: put us on hold without music 
[7:37pm] maximCH: CompleteTech: you can switch between narrow and wideband on the demo so you'll hear the result
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[7:37pm] Zeeek: I believe # toggles between wide and narrow
[7:37pm] CompleteTech: lol..dont know if it will or not
[7:37pm] CompleteTech: let me hold without music
[7:37pm] Zeeek: go ahead, make our day
[7:38pm] Zeeek: you can auto mute with *6 first
[7:39pm] Zeeek: everyone here, you could help spread the word that there's a Gigaset to win next week here
[7:39pm] Zeeek: should be fun
[7:39pm] Zeeek: FUN and BEER
[7:39pm] e4voip: Will do.......
[7:39pm] Zeeek: uh, it IS next week, right? 
[7:41pm] Zeeek: For the Glory of Old State
[7:41pm] Zeeek: For her founders strong and great.
[7:41pm] Zeeek: For the future that we wait,
[7:41pm] Zeeek: Raise the song, raise the song.
[7:41pm] CompleteTech: sounds great
[7:41pm] CompleteTech: a huge difference
[7:42pm] Zeeek: the demo? yeah
[7:42pm] CompleteTech: I would have to say.  Call me Ronald McDonald, becaue I'm Lovin it!!
[7:42pm] CompleteTech: yeah
[7:42pm] maximCH: FAX????
[7:42pm] Zeeek: I HATE FAX
[7:42pm] CompleteTech: because
[7:42pm] Zeeek: Only Ebay uses fax
[7:42pm] dcdeadbeat: Higher Ed loves fax
[7:42pm] kfife: I want my... I want my... I want my fax ma-chiiiiiiiine
[7:43pm] kfife: to the tune of MTV
[7:43pm] CompleteTech: i would love if I could get back to my advant fax GUI so I could see why none of my faxes are getting to my email
[7:43pm] CompleteTech: avant
[7:44pm] CompleteTech: pc load letter!!!! wtf does that mean!!!
[7:44pm] Zeeek: wrong format
[7:44pm] CompleteTech: lol...sorry
[7:44pm] dcdeadbeat: My website had an article about how higher ed won't give up its old tech like fax
[7:44pm] ricko73: maximCH: was it nimjam? or something like that?
[7:46pm] Ottone: E-mail or a simple file
[7:46pm] dcdeadbeat: turning into email creates the "Where's my fax
[7:46pm] dcdeadbeat: problem
[7:46pm] ricko73: ninjam?
[7:46pm] JDBalogh: dcdeadbeat: not so much anymore
[7:46pm] ricko73:        http://www.ninjam.com/    
[7:47pm] dcdeadbeat: JDBalogh:  it does in higher ed.  I get that all the time
[7:47pm] JDBalogh: we're all whiners here
[7:48pm] dcdeadbeat: Google Apps email was reliable until a few days ago
[7:49pm] Ottone: HylaFax+
[7:49pm] Ottone: y
[7:49pm] Ottone: comes with iaxmodem
[7:49pm] CompleteTech: can anyone comment on my post at http://www.pbxinaflash.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5456
[7:50pm] dcdeadbeat: The "+" means that it is better
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[7:52pm] Ottone: Me, I got one!
[7:52pm] dcdeadbeat: I remember ording computers with zip drives built in
[7:53pm] Ottone: 120 MB discs
[7:53pm] JDBalogh: Right. 9-track only _WISHES_ it had 100 GB. 
[7:53pm] dcdeadbeat: I want to bring back 8-tracks
[7:54pm] JDBalogh: Synthesizer lab here had Otari 8-track 15 IPS 20 KHz BW machine. Sweet!
[7:54pm] JDBalogh: Reel-to-reel, of course.
[7:55pm] dcdeadbeat: we would have no silence right now if we were using 8-track
[7:55pm] Ottone: but it sounds nice as it is WIDEBAND silence!
[7:55pm] JDBalogh: Nice!
[7:56pm] JDBalogh: What do people use for non-DID E.164 numbers?
[7:56pm] JDBalogh: Ie: like RFC 1918, but for phone numbers?
[7:56pm] e4voip: this is interesting... http://www.symantec.com/connect/blogs/trojanpeskyspy-listening-your-conversations
[7:56pm] JDBalogh: We are starting to assign SIP addresses to Video systems, but don't want to buy phone numbers for them.
[7:57pm] CompleteTech: JDBalogh: hows that working out?
[7:57pm] JDBalogh: Works great. Call sip:18148658100@psu.edu to reach our Codian video bridge.
[7:58pm] JDBalogh: Same work for PSTN calls, unfortunately.
[7:58pm] maximCH: JDBalogh: if you use e164.org I think they give you a block in +8829900... which technically is allocated but nobody routes
[7:58pm] JDBalogh: Looking for something like 17001234567 instead of an actual PSTN number.
[7:59pm] JDBalogh: Read about +878 : Universal Personal Telecommunications services
[7:59pm] JDBalogh: (ITU version of non-DID)
[8:00pm] kfife: Ricko73: GN 2000 (series) frequency response is 150-6800hz.   Better than g.711, just barely under g.722 passband of 50-7000
[8:00pm] Zeeek: someone PLEASE MUTE
[8:00pm] CompleteTech: so you are using it to connect for PSTN or no??
[8:00pm] Zeeek: when you're not talking
[8:01pm] ricko73: Zeeek: I'm self-muted
[8:01pm] JDBalogh: CompleteTech: no PSTN in these Video SIP calls
[8:01pm] james86: I'm in Australia. Telstra is our main telco.. I got a call like that, they hung up
[8:01pm] ricko73: kfife: it's a pretty nice headset given the price and the fact that I can connect it to the phone and to a usb adapter
[8:01pm] james86: I went from 4 down to 1 PSTN at home
[8:02pm] maximCH: usenet is great for warez 
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[8:02pm] CompleteTech: JDBalogh:  so you want to be able to add PSTN # to enum to call into it from PSTN lines then.  or You are doing that now and just want to use SIP URI's?
[8:02pm] JDBalogh: Check this: http://www.vide.net/workgroups/nasm/index.shtml for ENUM reference.
[8:03pm] kfife: ricko73 - and is just a headset (good) - rather than that crazy new wideband wireless headset with a LCD screen and a $500 price tag
[8:03pm] JDBalogh: Comes as a result of the video stuff using GDS: http://commons.internet2.edu/gds.html
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[8:03pm] JDBalogh: I'd like to avoid the conflict between Video numbers and PSTN numbers (that we assign out of the same space, unfortunately)
[8:04pm] maximCH: in the US I have a full usenet news server with Optimum online... including all binary groups.
[8:04pm] CompleteTech: grcc.com ??
[8:04pm] jeffg: grc.com
[8:04pm] CompleteTech: thanks
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[8:05pm] maximCH: yeah... I think we should go back to uucp for e-mail... 
[8:05pm] JDBalogh: BITNET
[8:05pm] JDBalogh: (source-based routing)
[8:06pm] dcdeadbeat: I still use Pico for email
[8:06pm] CompleteTech: JDBalough:  that is something i should look into
[8:06pm] JDBalogh: dcdeadbeat: probably no virus attachements hit your computer through Pico. :-0
[8:07pm] dcdeadbeat: no viruses on Linux - yet  
[8:08pm] ricko73: dude!  my Dell is coming
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[8:08pm] ricko73: well, not MY dell, but one of my client's dells
[8:08pm] ricko73: no that was a phone call from the shipping company
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[8:08pm] CompleteTech: i want to build a rack mount/appliance type PBX..anyone got a deal on some of these types of boxes or barebones?
[8:09pm] dcdeadbeat: I never see any spam on Google Apps
[8:10pm] JDBalogh: I use http://www.cloudmark.com/desktop/ for the corporate email. Bayesian filter with user contributions seems to work 99+ % of time.
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