[00:01] _3vian: can we use G711 on ZipDX?
[00:01] ricko73: yes
[00:02] JimCifarelli: Any "Fax for Asterisk" users here?  Wondering if there is a way to know how many pages were faxed if the call is interrupted.
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[00:02] JimCifarelli: So I can call back and finish...
[00:03] jtodd: Yeah!  AstriCon is the place to be.  (plug, plug, plug)
[00:03] Guest59677: Is the Voipusers podcast on itunes the whole show or just the talkshoe portion?
[00:03] RandalSchwartz: it comes in two parts
[00:04] RandalSchwartz: the itunes feed is the talkshoe hosting
[00:04] RandalSchwartz: so the talkshoe part is published immediately
[00:04] RandalSchwartz: and the other part zeek uploads later
[00:04] gmelo: Represent Ontario!
[00:05] ricko73: "what we going to do tonight Brain?"
[00:05] Guest59677: I see some part 2's listed,  thanks.  I guess not all days have 2 parts?
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[00:05] RandalSchwartz: or not all days does zeek get around to it 
[00:06] RandalSchwartz: but that's the feed
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[00:07] Zeeek: waiting for an edit of part 2 from Karl who is on vacation in Mehico this week
[00:07] Zeeek: Guest59677: Talkshoe did NOT update the RSS feed for 13 days. We're behind on iTunes I think still
[00:08] Zeeek: Here at VUC, we take your business seriously, very seriously indeed.
[00:08] brycec: ACK!
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[00:08] RandalSchwartz: it's that STUPID widget on your web page
[00:08] RandalSchwartz: it defaults to unmuted
[00:08] RandalSchwartz: bad bad
[00:08] jtodd: Tim, you didn't change that yet?
[00:08] Zeeek: I thought it was muted now?
[00:09] RandalSchwartz: sorry, i was trying to listen via 722
[00:09] Zeeek:        http://www.digium.com/en/products/software/vestec.php    
[00:09] beek: hello all
[00:09] RandalSchwartz: and by the way, it *still* doesn't play audio, just sends it
[00:09] ****************** Speaking: Kashif Kahn
[00:09] RandalSchwartz: that looping was because of my iphone on talkshoe
[00:09] RandalSchwartz: at least this time you didn't just hear me type 
[00:10] Zeeek: please by all means...
[00:10] • DelphiWorld hack Zeeek
[00:10] Zeeek: Heard on IRC so many times on #asterisk "what is a dialplan?"
[00:10] RandalSchwartz: I guess I'll never hear the show via 722.  fated. 
[00:10] Zeeek: RandalSchwartz: you will if Counterpath gets g722 working on the OS X platform
[00:11] brycec: "Speak the password"
[00:11] RandalSchwartz: FLA!
[00:11] RandalSchwartz: four letter acronym
[00:11] brycec: fail
[00:11] Zeeek: ZipDX:22 - Talkshoe 8
[00:11] Reubwen: What about other languages - i.e. smaller languages like Norwegian?
[00:11] brycec: Small turnout 
[00:11] _3vian: but are all ZipDX G722?
[00:11] Reubwen: (and a small vocabulary)
[00:12] Zeeek:        https://www.digium.com/en/supportcenter/documentation/viewdocs/VESTEC    
[00:12] jtodd: Zeeek: Easy answer to "what is a dialplan":  A dialplan is a set of rules that guide a call through various applications and branching logic based on user input or other criteria.  Think of it conceptually as a programming language for IVRs, but much more powerful.
[00:12] Reubwen: Zeeek: it does not answer my question 
[00:12] JimCifarelli: Question: Is there a demo telephone number to call and try this speech recognition?
[00:12] Zeeek: jtodd: I read the doc. So, what is a dialplan?
[00:12] Zeeek: JimCifarelli: good question
[00:13] jtodd: Zeeek: Sorry, I already answered that.  
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[00:14] ricko73: so easy a gecko could do it
[00:15] NerdUno: Does the 500 item limitation include 26 characters for A-Z plus all the numbers??
[00:15] Zeeek: jtodd: do you need to be unmuted?
[00:15] brycec: So there's no MacOSX version?
[00:16] steliosk: Is the engine based on a FOSS project Sphinx, ISIP, Julius or HTK ?
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[00:16] brycec: Or to better rephrase this - Are there plans to support more platforms?
[00:16] JimCifarelli: Question: Can you move your key in the furture to other IP addresses or Linux installs?
[00:16] Zeeek: JimCifarelli: can you go ahead and ask your questions?
[00:16] Guest59677: Where to find info on hearing live audio when talkshoe plug gets pulled?
[00:17] brycec: Guest59677: http://voipusersconference.org/
[00:17] Zeeek: steliosk: can you ask you questions when the time comes?
[00:17] steliosk: yes, ok
[00:18] brycec: Guest59677: There's also a widget on http://www.voipusersconference.org/listen-now/
[00:18] NerdUno: Just to get that quote in the record: Floating licenses a "must have" in the next year
[00:18] Zeeek: Call ZipDX: sip:200901@login.zipdx.com
[00:19] Zeeek: while you are here, those on the call and active will get VUC T-SHIRTS: be on the mailing list and talk on a call or be at Astricon  and you'll get one
[00:19] Zeeek: VUC T-shirts ^^^^^^^
[00:19] RandalSchwartz: how active?
[00:20] brycec: Zeeek: Define "active"?
[00:20] Zeeek: you're covered
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[00:20] RandalSchwartz: jumping jacks?
[00:20] RandalSchwartz: looping the bad widget into the call?
[00:20] RandalSchwartz: cuz i can do more of that if you want. 
[00:20] Zeeek: RandalSchwartz: you'll be at Astricon
[00:20] Zeeek: all singers and musicians in the VUC band will get a T
[00:20] RandalSchwartz: I will.  The conference of footnotes!
[00:20] Reubwen: Zeeek: page me in regarding smaller languages - when suitable.
[00:20] • brycec played the violin when he was younger...
[00:21] Zeeek: Reubwen: gotcha
[00:21] Zeeek: brycec: bring it to Astricon
[00:21] brycec:                          
[00:21] Guest59677: brycec, thx.  I was selecting the talkshoe button, but found the other, and it seems to work fine.
[00:21] Zeeek: ah. No go
[00:21] Reubwen: Zeeek: I'm unmuted on the bridge.
[00:21] JimCifarelli: Question: How long a "phrase" can one utter at a prompt?
[00:21] Reubwen: FYI 
[00:21] Zeeek: JimCifarelli: interesting!
[00:22] ******************************* Speaking: Kashif Kahn
[00:22]********************************Speaking: Ward, NerdVittles
[00:22] brycec: There's also dialplan methods, such as using GROUP()s
[00:22] Zeeek: Speaking: Steve Sokol, Digium
[00:23] • Zeeek is trying hard to be a Good Host™
[00:23] gmelo: Nice to know who's who.
[00:23] brycec: Thanks Zeeek
[00:23] Zeeek: Call log time: 21:22
[00:24] CompleteTech: I am me...lol
[00:24] ******************************* Speaking: Ruben Olsen - a wonderful guy from Norway
[00:24] Zeeek: Norwegian language
[00:24] JimCifarelli: Zeeek: Wouldn't it be cool to have TalkShoe or ZipDx automatically put "Speaking: Kashif Kahn" into IRC for you?
[00:25] Zeeek: ùaybe the technology that rec speech can recognize the speaker!
[00:25] Ottone: Any time estimation on European languages (German) and their availability?
[00:25] Ottone: Won't make you happy
[00:25] JimCifarelli: No Klingon Model?
[00:25] steliosk: For the "dirty details" on acoustic models http://www.voxforge.org
[00:26] Zeeek: how does alcohol affect the success rate for Speech Rec?
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[00:26] gmelo: Zeek HAH!
[00:26] brycec: I want a Pirate voice model
[00:26] RandalSchwartz: dialed in with my laptop using gizmo instead of the phone
[00:26] Ottone: How does Speech Rec affect the success of alcohol??
[00:26] steliosk: Zeeek : Depends on how many drunks you had as sample when building the acoustic model 
[00:26] Zeeek: steliosk:  LOL
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[00:28] Ottone: How do I treat a Spanish person talking English?
[00:28] NerdUno: Adios
[00:28] Reubwen: Ottone: you treat her very nice 
[00:28] Ottone: You just speed up the recording by factor 2 - haha
[00:29] Ottone: For the southern guy
[00:29] beek: How accurate would it be with the current speaker?
[00:29] Ottone: Indian English is a hard one, for example
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[00:31] JimCifarelli: Need a Caller ID database with their accoustic model of choice...
[00:32] steliosk: How many hours of transcribed speech would be required to build an acoustic model for a language not supported ?
[00:32] jtodd: JimCifarelli: that assumes your carrier doesn't suck so much that they only send 10 digits of caller ID because they don't grok non-NA E.164 addresses.
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[00:32] Ottone: Yes, the roadmap!
[00:32] uk-david: Zeeek - this is where directed dialogue is useful...
[00:32] jtodd: How about Chinese?
[00:32] JimCifarelli: jtodd: Interesting.  Thanks.
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[00:33] jtodd: That would assume that there is a market in non-Western languages.
[00:33] Ottone: So at least 12 month for the next language?
[00:34] JimCifarelli: Question: To clear this up, this is not voice transcription?  this is used for one or two word phrases?
[00:34] Reubwen: JimCifarelli: correct.
[00:34] uk-david: Known as CWR - connected word recognition
[00:34] ssokol: No, all of those languages he mentioned over the next 12 - 24 months.  Next language significantly sooner.
[00:34] Zeeek: ZipDX : 27 - Talkshoe 8
[00:35] Ottone: thx Steve
[00:35] JimCifarelli: Reubwen: So when steliosk asked about training, is this necessary? i.e. It isn't trained by feeding in hours of recordings?
[00:35] Reubwen: JimCifarelli: I do not know - the Vestec people should answer that.
[00:35] uk-david: How much would the use of a wideband codec improve recognition?
[00:36] Ottone: @uk-david: I guess you need a different model for that
[00:37] Ottone:                          
[00:37] steliosk: Ottone : yep
[00:37] JimCifarelli: Is Google Voice bad?
[00:37] RandalSchwartz: bad in what sense?
[00:37] Zeeek: I don't think it's that bad
[00:37] gmelo: Google Voice is great IMO
[00:37] JimCifarelli: It's worked well for me
[00:37] DFrankel: GoogleVoice voice-mail to e-mail is very bad; but that is completely free-form.
[00:37] NerdUno: Recognition of words in an email is about 2 in 50 mwords
[00:38] NerdUno: mwords = words
[00:38] RandalSchwartz: ahh - voice recognition
[00:38] Zeeek: RandalSchwartz: check out Reqall if you haven't already - great app (does voice transcription)
[00:38] RandalSchwartz: it's so-so
[00:38] uk-david: @Ottone - I'm thinking that 's' and 'f' sounds would be better defined over something like g722
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[00:38] Zeeek: reqall is a GTD thing
[00:38] gmelo: I wrote a short article about it here : http://is.gd/3SCXp
[00:38] steely_glint: That ice screem example is the one that google used to show the google wave spell checker.
[00:38] gmelo: I hope links are OK
[00:39] Zeeek: steely_glint: where's my invite  ?
[00:39] mattp2: the engine would need to support g722, don't think any current ASR engine supports g722
[00:39] Zeeek: gmelo: links are great, especially pr0n
[00:39] steely_glint: Zeek - mail me your google account name I'll send one
[00:39] steely_glint: but you may need to wait a few days.
[00:40] gmelo: It has been very sketchy lately.
[00:41] RandalSchwartz: IRC?  what's that?
[00:41] beek: I assume that it's easy to purchase and add additional licenses.
[00:41] RandalSchwartz: anyone who needs to be denuded...
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[00:42] beek: Thanks
[00:42] _3vian: can license blocks be split?
[00:43] voipuser: Does this work with Asterisk 1.4? How about with FreePBX+asterisk systems?
[00:43] Zeeek: voipuser: I think he just said yes
[00:43] Zeeek: on 1.4
[00:44] voipuser: Ah, I dropped the connection momentarily
[00:44] voipuser: Must have missed that, thanks.
[00:44] gmelo: 1.4 1.6 and 1.61 is what I heard.
[00:44] NerdUno: To see how bad Google Voice recognition is... http://nerdvittles.com/GoogleVoice/
[00:44] voipuser: Thanks.
[00:46] Zeeek: ZipDX:29 Talkshoe:11 = 40 callers + 3 streams. Leo has nothing to worry about 
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[00:47] RandalSchwartz: "my you have a large acoustic model there"
[00:48] ******************************* Speaking: Kashif Kahn
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[00:48] Zeeek: Call log: 46:32
[00:49] RandalSchwartz: temperature in portland: 54 degrees
[00:49] Ottone: I am very much looking forward to the German & European language support - those are still very much lacking (in the low-pricing area)
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[00:49] ssokol: In a natural language implementation the system can simply ask, "How can I help you?"
[00:49] voipuser: Still wonder how well it would integrate with systems running FreePBX + Asterisk, but maybe nobody's tried that yet.
[00:49] Zeeek: Temperature in Bordeaux 20°C
[00:50] ssokol: The caller can respond with a much more natural response.
[00:50] brycec: Does it support/recognize ebonics?
[00:50] gmelo: HAHA
[00:50] Zeeek: 20°C = 68°F
[00:50] brycec: Or jive?
[00:50] gmelo: Oh geeze
[00:50] markwaters: Zeeek: do you use free.fr for your isp here ?
[00:50] RandalSchwartz: or pirate!
[00:50] RandalSchwartz: "arr... give me option 4aaarrrr"
[00:51] Zeeek: markwaters: no
[00:51] brycec: RandalSchwartz: I already suggested that 
[00:51] Ottone: With the low-pricing approach embedded platforms become an interesting option
[00:51] ricko73: Zeeek: back of shirt...
[00:51] RandalSchwartz: I know
[00:51] _3vian: it is official - Rio 2016
[00:51] markwaters: Zeeek: thanks
[00:51] voipuser: I agree with this… not going to pay $99 for a home system just to play!
[00:51] ricko73: URL + irc channel name or just URL?
[00:51] RandalSchwartz: so much for obama's trip
[00:51] JDBalogh: temperature in State College, PA: 53.3 °F incompatible encoding
[00:51] JimCifarelli: Like Free "Yes" or "No" that's it!
[00:51] Zeeek: ricko73: URL
[00:51] Zeeek: how about CUC.me writ large ?
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[00:52] DFrankel: Indeed, the 5 or 10 word "trial size" is a great marketing idea.
[00:52] voipuser: He just doesn't get it.
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[00:52] RandalSchwartz: RandalHD - Capacity: 185.99 GB, available: 16.02 GB
[00:52] brycec: I agree... I've been thinking and I really do like the idea of a 5 word trial. Maybe 30 days?
[00:53] Zeeek: Read ther book "Free"
[00:53] Ottone: A 5 word trial is almost useless - you would need at least 20 for anything slightly meaningful
[00:53] brycec: Awesome, it's cheaper than the other guys', but it's still way out of the reach of the home tinkerer
[00:54] mattp2: might as well use pocketsphinx for 5 words
[00:54] JDBalogh: If 5 word trial included YES and NO, I'd try it.
[00:54] voipuser: Yeah, I'd say 25 to 50 would be good.
[00:54] NerdUno: remember that all the numbers don't count towards the 5
[00:54] JDBalogh:        http://www.chrisbrogan.com/the-audacity-of-free/    
[00:54] brycec: And "operator" and "help"
[00:55] JDBalogh: $1 per word
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[00:55] _3vian: $99 isn't much...
[00:55] NerdUno: It's the difference in getting the stuff out the door without licensing hassles
[00:56] RandalSchwartz: will rio be able to clean up the flavellas before 2016?
[00:56] _3vian: lol
[00:56] Ottone: Zeeek: 100% agreed
[00:56] brycec: Hail Zeeek !
[00:56] JDBalogh: $99 isn't much unless you need to put it on 5 systems in your shop to do a trial before your manager will sign up for the 50 system roll-out.
[00:57] maximCH: Zeeek is cheap 
[00:57] JDBalogh: (or in my case, 120 systems)
[00:57] maximCH: 1 for free is great
[00:57] Zeeek: I vote 30 days
[00:57] gmelo: One free for dev.
[00:57] brycec: I vote full trial
[00:57] JDBalogh: I could work with 30 days.
[00:57] Ottone: 30 days is too short - need 90
[00:57] Ottone: or at least 60
[00:57] Zeeek: you get 30
[00:57] NerdUno: 30 days never works when we're distributing a bundled product that is free
[00:57] voipuser: The thing is, it's the home users and tinkerers that get excited about this stuff and figure out how to make it work, and in some cases write the how-tos and documentation, then that helps the business users (who WILL pay the $$$) get it implemented.
[00:57] Zeeek: 35 that's my last offer
[00:58] Reubwen: 35,9 - or nothing 
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[00:58] JDBalogh: If they aren't serious about being ready to test it within 30 days, they probably aren't serious about ever paying for it.
[00:58] gmelo: 30 days feels gimmicky./
[00:58] Zeeek: yeah 30 days is fine. I've bought many products on a 30 day trial
[00:58] steliosk: for demos 1 port would be great, check it, if it works then buy the licenses
[00:58] Ottone: Without getting developers feel happy with the product it will simply not take off
[00:58] voipuser: And said tinkerers don't want a 30 day limit.
[00:59] JDBalogh: Ok. Tinkerers get a 5-word limit then?
[00:59] _3vian: it depends on how long the product really takes to evaluate
[00:59] beek: I like the 30-day model as it also exposes me to the licensing procedure.
[00:59] gmelo: Who says only offer one model?  Why not give the EU the choice?
[00:59] maximCH: great party in Salvador da Bahia cause of Rio 2016.
[00:59] JimCifarelli: How about 500 free "recognitions" instead of a time limit?
[00:59] voipuser: 5 words would be better than nothing.  I'd be happier with a bit higher so you can put in names of family members, etc.
[01:00] maximCH: TV globo reporting live
[01:00] ******************************* Speaking: Tim Panton, Westhawk
[01:00] Zeeek: Stardate: 58:30
[01:00] _3vian: agree with Tim
[01:00] JDBalogh: Digium FAX channel is 1 for free, then pay for 2+. Is that similar to 5 words for free?
[01:01] voipuser: 25-50 words would be sufficient for the home users and tinkerers but not nearly enough for most businesses (I would think)
[01:02] maximCH: fax
[01:02] Zeeek: ssokol: go
[01:02] maximCH: Zeeek loves fax.
[01:02] maximCH: heh.. Zeeek ... we just recorded you say "I love fax"
[01:02] Zeeek: FAX
[01:02] Ottone: no
[01:03] DFrankel: This has been a great presentation/discussion -- kudos to the host & presenters.
[01:03] Zeeek: I love fax
[01:03] beek: Yes -- It locks up my system.
[01:03] gmelo: Just avantfax / iaxmodem (thanks Ward)
[01:03] Zeeek: fax is beautiful
[01:03] Ottone: using HylaFax + IAXmodem
[01:03] Ottone: and capi4hylafax
[01:03] ricko73: I have a fax machine
[01:03] NerdUno: we just bundled it and made it work
[01:03] voipuser: (I'm just thinking about in a home adding names of all family members, including variations such as first name only or first and last name)
[01:03] ricko73: fax machine hooked into FXS port
[01:03] Zeeek:        http://www.digium.com/en/products/software/faxforasterisk.php    
[01:03] JDBalogh: Have used HylaFax, but with 64-bit systems, didn't try FAX4Asterisk yet.
[01:04] ricko73: and I KNOW you shouldn't use fax over IP, but for my low volume usage, it works
[01:04] • brycec hearts Hylafax+IAXModem
[01:04] gmelo: I have tested four concurrent faxes here : http://faxtoy.net/
[01:04] brycec: ricko73: Ditto
[01:04] Ottone: Our BROTHER is cool, does scan2ftp and stuff, simply love it
[01:04] JDBalogh: We have about 800 FAX users on FXS ports here at psu.edu.
[01:04] Zeeek: Fax for Asterisk
[01:05] brycec: Fax over Skype?
[01:05] Ottone: But let's add a big thank you to Digium for making the 1-port version available
[01:05] Zeeek: Skype for Asterisk (SfA) http://www.digium.com/en/products/software/skypeforasterisk.php
[01:05] voipuser: NerdUno, you've included FAX4Asterisk in PiaF?
[01:05] Reubwen: skype for asterisk is excellent.
[01:06] Zeeek: Stardate: 1:03:52
[01:06] NerdUno: no. another product
[01:06] voipuser: Oh, just wondered.
[01:06] gmelo: Link for Skype / Asterisk please?
[01:06] Zeeek: Skype for Asterisk (SfA) http://www.digium.com/en/products/software/skypeforasterisk.php
[01:06] Zeeek: Skype for Asterisk (SfA) http://www.digium.com/en/products/software/skypeforasterisk.php
[01:06] Zeeek: Skype for Asterisk (SfA) http://www.digium.com/en/products/software/skypeforasterisk.php
[01:06] Zeeek: Skype for Asterisk (SfA) http://www.digium.com/en/products/software/skypeforasterisk.php
[01:06] Ottone: Interesting - wouldn't SIP PRESENCE by more important than video?
[01:06] NerdUno: download Orgasmatron Installer. It's in there together with Google Voice support for free calls
[01:06] brycec: Zeek, it's stardate 01945.00
[01:07] voipuser: Ah, okay.
[01:07] Zeeek: I'm the star and my date is 01:05:05
[01:07] Reubwen: 1905? geeee how old you have become...
[01:07] JDBalogh: Zeeek: Dancing with the stars. LOL!
[01:07] *******************************: Tim Panton 
[01:08] RandalSchwartz: Randal Schwartz listening
[01:08] Zeeek: RandalSchwartz: dancing
[01:08] gmelo: $66!?
[01:09] Zeeek: Talkshoe people we will be dropping Talkshoe in a short time. PLease call ZipDX: sip:200901@login.zipdx.com or see the PSTN on http://VUC.me
[01:09] Zeeek:        http://Astricon.net    
[01:09] ricko73: TEASE!
[01:09] ricko73: TEASE!
[01:09] • Zeeek wants to know why his picture isn't on Astricon site!!!
[01:09] RandalSchwartz: I can!
[01:10] jtodd-afk is now known as jtodd.
[01:10] ricko73: Look for our shirts!
[01:10] Zeeek: LIVE LIVE LIVE
[01:10] jtodd: Zeeek: you never sent those pictures of yourself in the evening dress, or they'd be on the site.
[01:10] voipuser: Guess I'll have to add another custom extension to FreePBX 
[01:10] NerdUno: Speaking of free t-shirts: http://nerdvittles.com/wp-images/nerd-tshirt.gif
[01:10] _3vian: at least you said 18...
[01:11] ricko73: Zeeek: we'll be handing out Google Wave invites too
[01:11] DFrankel: If you haven't signed up for wideband yet, there's still time.
[01:11] Zeeek: cool
[01:11] J-MN: NerdUno: Permission Denied
[01:11] gmelo: chmod!
[01:12] NerdUno: right
[01:12] RandalSchwartz: yeah!
[01:12] RandalSchwartz: heh
[01:12] JDBalogh: 4 people from my group will be at Astricon. Alas, not me. 
[01:13] • beek will be there
[01:13] RandalSchwartz: the ivrvoice will be there
[01:13] jtodd: JDBalogh: Yay!  Boo!  (in that order)
[01:13] RandalSchwartz: allison
[01:13] RandalSchwartz: zeek's not reading
[01:13] RandalSchwartz: allison!
[01:14] JDBalogh: jtodd: someone needs to fight off the political dragons while the brains are out. 
[01:14] televoip: I'm very disappointed, I won't be there.
[01:14] RandalSchwartz: and the new shoes, she says
[01:14] JDBalogh: Hopefully shoes that fit.
[01:14] jtodd: JDBalogh: Yeah, know how that works.  Someone needs to hold up the tent.
[01:14] JimCifarelli: Yes. Thank You!
[01:15] JDBalogh: Thanks Steve!
[01:15] ssokol: My pleasure.  Thanks for having us.
[01:15] gmelo: Need a drink.
[01:15] steely_glint: Beer is calling - see you later.....
[01:15] Zeeek: stay around for Part 2
[01:15] RandalSchwartz: beer 30!
[01:15] mattp2 left the chat room. ("Java user signed off")
[01:16] ssokol: Was that beer calling?
[01:16] _3vian: actually, i think a beer might be good...
[01:16] jtodd: It's breakfast time here.  Beer time is quite a ways off.
[01:16] _3vian: 6 PM here in the UK...
[01:16] JDBalogh: Need coffee first, then food (miss my lunch for this), beer much later.
[01:16] RandalSchwartz: portlanders have beer for breakfast
[01:17] • RandalSchwartz waves goodbye then
[01:17] JDBalogh: ZipDX for the win!
[01:17] ricko73: Zeeek: I'm on my cell phone
[01:17] JimDickenson left the chat room.
[01:17] gmelo: heh
[01:17] RandalSchwartz: P S T N!
[01:17] JDBalogh: I havn't see a DIAL on a cell phone. Just buttons. 
[01:17] RandalSchwartz: not me
[01:17] RandalSchwartz: someone else using that evil widget
[01:17] markwaters left the chat room.
[01:18] RandalSchwartz: the one that doesn't work ona  mac. 
[01:18] RandalSchwartz: that little widget
[01:18] RandalSchwartz: it sends, doesn't recieve
[01:18] RandalSchwartz: yeah
[01:18] RandalSchwartz: doesn't work on my leopard
[01:18] NerdUno: works on Leopard
[01:18] RandalSchwartz: I'm using gizmo
[01:18] RandalSchwartz: what *pay* to call? 
[01:18] steliosk: for those that want to donate their voice for a GPL acoustic model see http://www.voxforge.org
[01:18] RandalSchwartz: with gizmo
[01:18] gmelo: Yeah Snow Leopard had issues with Java / Flash - check out latest Security Now episode
[01:19] RandalSchwartz: gizmo doesn't work with that
[01:19] RandalSchwartz: I tried
[01:19] JDBalogh: I took the SIM out of my iPhone. Much nicer to know that all calls are free now. 
[01:19] RandalSchwartz: it gets slience
[01:19] RandalSchwartz: I can try it again... hold on
[01:19] RandalSchwartz: gotta hang up here though
[01:20] gmelo: Steve Gibson is the man.
[01:20] RandalSchwartz: yup - connects, can't hear a thing
[01:20] RandalSchwartz: wait... see if you can hear me..
[01:20] RandalSchwartz: did you hear that?
[01:20] Ottone: I *like* that a lot, works very well
[01:21] RandalSchwartz: yeah, so gizmo client is broked
[01:21] Ottone: A surprisingly efficent way to have a meeting with a large number of persons
[01:21] Gigaset_Man5: Randi-plexing
[01:21] Ottone: Zeeeking?
[01:21] JDBalogh: Multi-plex. Rats Giga.. beat me to it.
[01:21] Ottone: Chatference?
[01:21] RandalSchwartz: ok - I'm on via x-lite
[01:22] RandalSchwartz: listening anyway
[01:22] Ottone: audiotype
[01:22] Reubwen:        http://randulo.posterous.com/2009131-anecdotal-look-at-mobile-platform-mar    
[01:23] _3vian: can you tell us what the site is about?
[01:23] _3vian: ie. what is the content?
[01:23] JDBalogh: NerdUno: still auth fail on http://nerdvittles.com/wp-images/nerd-tshirt.gif
[01:24] televoip: RandalSchwartz:  I just tried Gizmo and audio is fine
[01:24] landru: Nokia is, world wide
[01:24] televoip: Latest version however on OSX
[01:24] _3vian: but how many symbian phones have a data plan?
[01:24] RandalSchwartz: yeah - I tried, got nothing
[01:24] gmelo: Many Nokia's have Wifi - problem is every browser is horrible.
[01:24] RandalSchwartz: just hating me, maybe
[01:24] televoip: Weird
[01:25] televoip: Latest version?
[01:25] RandalSchwartz: yeah, new one just upgraded
[01:26] ricko73: crap!  I'm goign to end up having to run to a client site
[01:26] _3vian: and RIM
[01:26] RandalSchwartz: connected to talkshoe just fine
[01:26] televoip: Default settings I assume?
[01:27] RandalSchwartz: there aren't many settings to make 
[01:27] ricko73: I hates it when stuff breakses on Fridays!
[01:28] beta5 left the chat room. ("Leaving")
[01:28] ricko73: maybe you guys will be on when I get back
[01:28] Zeeek: k
[01:28] televoip: True.
[01:28] Gigaset_Man5 left the chat room. ("Java user signed off")
[01:29] RandalSchwartz: o/~ if every body had a surf machine... cross the you ess aaa... o/~
[01:29] Zeeek: hahaha
[01:29] Zeeek: call in
[01:30] gmelo: I would be glad to help - http:/rappiddev.com
[01:31] RandalSchwartz: it's because it's fun to use!
[01:31] _3vian: but the map does
[01:31] RandalSchwartz: the moving map does
[01:31] landru: GPS-A does
[01:31] • ssokol is sick and bloody tired of hearing AT&T whine about usage.
[01:31] _3vian: but youtube etc...
[01:31] RandalSchwartz: yeah, if I leave my map up, it's downloading constantly
[01:31] beek: be back in ten...
[01:31] RandalSchwartz: "those phones that are saving our bottom line are using packets! boo hoo!"
[01:32] _3vian: any1 in the UK have an iPhone?
[01:32] RandalSchwartz: lots of people do!
[01:32] NerdUno: We wrote about the iPhone Terminator this week. 
[01:32] _3vian: any1 here!
[01:32] gmelo: It is called a "Liquid Layout"
[01:32] gmelo: It uses % instead of static px or em.
[01:32] _3vian: HTC...
[01:33] JDBalogh: Android = HTC
[01:33] RandalSchwartz: eww. "any1" instead of "anyone"?  are you paying for IRC by the character?
[01:33] RandalSchwartz: if so, sucks to be "u" 
[01:33] _3vian: no, just lazt
[01:33] _3vian: lazy
[01:33] jtodd: Time for me to turn into an AstriCon butterfly and flit away.
[01:33] jtodd: bye y'all.
[01:34] • RandalSchwartz waves at jtodd
[01:34] jtodd left the chat room. ("Leaving")
[01:34] RandalSchwartz: I'm on zipdx
[01:34] RandalSchwartz: via x-lie
[01:34] RandalSchwartz: x-lite
[01:34] NerdUno left the chat room. ("Quit")
[01:34] steliosk: me too
[01:34] _3vian: Zeeek: fyi never got my ebook for winning last week!
[01:34] RandalSchwartz: heh
[01:34] RandalSchwartz: not sure how the echo cancel would work
[01:34] RandalSchwartz: x-lite is lame
[01:34] steely_glint left the chat room. (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
[01:34] uk-david: I had to leave the call for a few minutes - did VUC T-shirts get discussed?
[01:34] steliosk: me too - zipdx
[01:34] RandalSchwartz: gizmo is better at echo-cancel
[01:35] ssokol left the chat room. ("Java user signed off")
[01:35] _3vian: uk-david: yes
[01:35] RandalSchwartz: astricon - for people who like footnotes
[01:35] _3vian: there will be t-shirts
[01:35] gmelo: Yes he was "NerdUno"
[01:36] Zeeek: gone now
[01:36] JDBalogh: FYI: NerdUno signed off about 1.5 minutes ago.
[01:36] Zeeek: ya
[01:36] CompleteTech: it has a touch screen
[01:36] CompleteTech: keyboard
[01:36] CompleteTech: my friend has one
[01:36] Reubwen: Zeeek: I'm going to leave in 20 min - so if we should speak iVoIP let's do that before I have to leave 
[01:36] CompleteTech: the keyboard is hard to type going 80 MPH and trying to touch the right keys
[01:37] JDBalogh: Pocket Bluetooth keyboard for any phone (with or without slide-out keyboard)
[01:37] landru: Problems that go away by themselves, come back by themselves
[01:38] RandalSchwartz: give the number on the call!
[01:38] Guest59677: I'm going to steal that one
[01:38] RandalSchwartz: we can *all* pay for t-shirts!
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[01:38] RandalSchwartz: XL
[01:39] RandalSchwartz: he says that in a disappointed way
[01:39] RandalSchwartz: "programmer size" 
[01:39] brycec: lol R
[01:39] • brycec thought we were talking about pizza at first
[01:39] RandalSchwartz: we gave out 5 of the XXXXXL shirts at OSCON
[01:39] _3vian: still not great
[01:39] RandalSchwartz: I have some sort of phone
[01:40] gmelo: Is there any way I can place an order for one of these shirts?
[01:40] _3vian: Randal: how about a Cisco 7940?
[01:40] JDBalogh: ZipDX PSTN: +1 567 252 2286
[01:40] RandalSchwartz: I'll happily take donations
[01:40] CompleteTech: no phone...for a phone conference... ironic
[01:40] _3vian: or actually 7960...
[01:40] RandalSchwartz: I'd unmute my x-lite app, but I'm afraid the echo-cancel would be bad
[01:41] RandalSchwartz: do I have to hit a touch tone
[01:41] RandalSchwartz: star six or something?
[01:41] JDBalogh: *6 to unmute/mute (toggle)
[01:41] RandalSchwartz: ok.  unmuted
[01:41] RandalSchwartz: ready to try
[01:43] landru: Some cell phones do g.722.2 (AMB-WB). Anyone had luck with an end-to-end WB call with those?
[01:44] RandalSchwartz: do you want me to try to talk yet?
[01:44] beek: I'm baaaaak
[01:45] Guest59677: I stepped away.  Is audio gone?
[01:46] Zeeek: shouldn't be
[01:46] ricko73: Guest59677: talk shoe?
[01:46] RandalSchwartz: gone for talkshoe
[01:46] RandalSchwartz: still on zipdx
[01:46] RandalSchwartz: so do you want me to try this x-lite client?
[01:46] Zeeek: ya
[01:47] RandalSchwartz: weephone dials sipuri yes
[01:47] RandalSchwartz: and the update to siphon can now dial sip
[01:48] RandalSchwartz: siphon = jailbroken though
[01:48] _3vian: i use siax, but that is only for jailbroken too
[01:48] JDBalogh: Using SIPhon here. Mostly happy.
[01:50] RandalSchwartz: a medium size R
[01:50] DelphiWorld: _3vian: what is siax?
[01:50] _3vian: a iphone SIP and IAX client
[01:51] RandalSchwartz: oooh... settings in evil place
[01:51] RandalSchwartz: ugh
[01:51] RandalSchwartz: that was really wrong to do that
[01:51] RandalSchwartz: later in *this* week?
[01:51] RandalSchwartz: especially if you want to change a setting while on a call
[01:52] RandalSchwartz: I have only 3 sip accounts.  I'm only a junior geek
[01:52] DelphiWorld: _3vian: is free? if yes, URL please?
[01:52] _3vian: nope, it is $10 for the full version
[01:52] RandalSchwartz: still waiting for a lull in the conversation to try my x-lite
[01:52] DelphiWorld:                          
[01:53] RandalSchwartz: siax is in the cydia store, I think
[01:53] _3vian:        www.siax.org    
[01:53] DelphiWorld: my friend!
[01:53] _3vian: yeah, it is
[01:53] DelphiWorld: could anyone provide me with  a iax2 to sip routing?
[01:53] gmelo: Another confusing one on Nokias is the "realm" parameter.
[01:53] _3vian: but you need a key after 7 days
[01:53] DelphiWorld: i'm realy stressed;)
[01:53] DelphiWorld: sip is blocked
[01:53] DelphiWorld: VPN routing don't work properly
[01:53] _3vian: sip is block where?
[01:53] _3vian: At&t?
[01:54] _3vian: blocked*
[01:54] DelphiWorld: _3vian: yes, in algeria
[01:54] _3vian: algeria! damn
[01:54] _3vian: try iax maybe...
[01:55] _3vian: echo is crazy
[01:55] Reubwen: ok bye bye.
[01:55] RandalSchwartz: yeah
[01:55] RandalSchwartz: but if x-lite is echoing
[01:55] _3vian: that is fine
[01:55] Zeeek: go for it
[01:55] Reubwen left the chat room.
[01:55] Zeeek: what are you gonna do?
[01:56] Zeeek: tell us about the last FLOSS
[01:56] JDBalogh: I'm using CounterPath EyeBeam unmuted. No echo.
[01:56] Zeeek: LAST
[01:56] JDBalogh: Maybe EyeBeam is different since it co$ts money?
[01:56] Zeeek: yeah tell us about it
[01:56] Zeeek: ramble
[01:56] Zeeek: I'm uploading a big file
[01:57] Zeeek: Counterpath is a gtreat client
[01:57] Zeeek: beer?
[01:57] Zeeek: I like beer
[01:57] steliosk: cheap developers, cheap shots
[01:58] _3vian: free, but not free - and it shouldn't be
[01:58] ******************************* Speaking: Randal L Schwartz
[01:58] Zeeek: sound sgood
[01:58] gmelo: Haha
[01:58] Zeeek: if I talk, it'll echo
[01:58] DFrankel: Narrowband.
[01:59] Zeeek: snot yet
[01:59] Zeeek: Not yet
[01:59] gmelo: Ekiga handles it nicely.
[01:59] gmelo: ee kee ga
[01:59] RandalSchwartz: yeah, stupid
[02:00] RandalSchwartz: all the good names are taken
[02:00] JDBalogh: Aye Beam
[02:01] _3vian: Ekiga doesn't support G722
[02:01] brycec: Alan Tudyk, woo!
[02:01] steliosk: got to go. nice talking to you guys
[02:01] gmelo: Launching, was sure it did.
[02:01] steliosk left the chat room. ("“Given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow.”")
[02:02] brycec: There's a recording of Linus pronouncing it "lin-ux"
[02:03] brycec:        http://www.paul.sladen.org/pronunciation/    
[02:03] DelphiWorld: ok
[02:03] DelphiWorld: i got a asterisk box
[02:03] gmelo:        http://photos.geekhut.org/images/uncategorized/hardware/screenshot.png    
[02:03] gmelo: Sure it doesn't support 722?
[02:03] DelphiWorld: now we need to do iax to sip/sip to iax using it
[02:03] _3vian: ¦iLBC, GSM-06.10, MS-GSM, G.711-Alaw, G.711-uLaw, G.726, G.721 and Speex audio codecs incompatible encoding
[02:04] Zeeek: he was on mic but you were off
[02:04] Zeeek: aha
[02:04] Zeeek: ok
[02:04] Zeeek: gotcha
[02:04] Guest59677: Sorry to be a pain.  I was listening using the widget on voipusersconference.org/listen-now.  And it stopped, and currently shows "past shows"
[02:05] Zeeek: Guest59677: talkshoe is no longer available
[02:05] Guest59677: I assume I will (for future shows) need to install zipdx to be functional throughout the show?
[02:05] e4voip joined the chat room.
[02:06] e4voip: How goes it?
[02:06] Zeeek: not needed to install
[02:06] JDBalogh: Hey Michael!
[02:06] Zeeek: Michael
[02:06] TDF: celine dion
[02:06] e4voip: Hi....  BUSY DAYS
[02:06] JDBalogh: Good busy, we trust.
[02:06] e4voip: just making it on...
[02:06] e4voip: Yes - blessed for that
[02:07] RandalSchwartz: "get the band back together!"
[02:07] DelphiWorld: hi e4voip!
[02:07] e4voip: Why don't you play Randy?
[02:07] e4voip: Hi
[02:08] Ottone: Zeeek - what did you play?
[02:08] e4voip: DelphiWorld - Ed?
[02:08] Ottone: instrument
[02:08] Zeeek:        http://randulo.com    
[02:10] DelphiWorld: could anyone configure my asterisk?
[02:10] DelphiWorld: e4voip: ?
[02:10] DelphiWorld: from sip to iax and iax to sip
[02:11] _3vian: exit
[02:11] e4voip: Sorry.. i was thinking you were someone  else... Sorry
[02:11] _3vian left the chat room.
[02:11] gmelo: Me too, time for pub.
[02:11] gmelo left the chat room. ("Guinness.")
[02:11] • RandalSchwartz wanders off
[02:11] RandalSchwartz: sent her email already
[02:11] RandalSchwartz: she's looking forward to meet me
[02:11] RandalSchwartz: I know... trying to get leo to play it
[02:11] RandalSchwartz: not my show 
[02:11] Guest59677: I see the zipdx website.  Before I sign up, could I get a quick summary of costs to expect for logging onto this conference call each week?
[02:12] • RandalSchwartz wanders off
[02:12] JDBalogh: Guest59677: free!
[02:12] Guest59677: that's a good price.
[02:12] JDBalogh: Actually, it's not a price.
[02:12] brycec: What's for dinner?
[02:12] JDBalogh: Randy: Thank your wife for us!
[02:13] JimCifarelli: Randy!  Have a great time.  Thanks for a good discussion.  Ciao
[02:13] Guest59677: OK, I'll work through it and use it in the future.
[02:13] DelphiWorld: Zeeek: asterisk do G.722?
[02:13] DFrankel: Guest59677: You don't need to sign up at ZipDX to use it.
[02:13] Guest59677: how?
[02:14] DFrankel: Do you want to call from a regular phone or a PC?
[02:14] JDBalogh: Guest59677: read top of page http://vuc.me/
[02:14] Ottone: Last week give-away: Looking forward to the 1.4 asterisk book on PDF!
[02:14] Ottone: Zeeek, u got my message?
[02:14] Guest59677 left the chat room. ("Java user signed off")
[02:15] Ottone: u wanted my contacts
[02:15] Ottone: nope
[02:15] Ottone: not yet
[02:15] Ottone:                          
[02:15] Ottone: sure not
[02:16] _3vian joined the chat room.
[02:16] brycec: Yeah I wanted to know what was for dinner
[02:16] Ottone: thx, nice show today, lots of interest on speech rec
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[02:17] uk-david left the chat room. ("Java user signed off")
[02:17] Traveler is now known as Guest48349.
[02:18] DelphiWorld: anyone help me please?
[02:18] _3vian: k, gtg - see you all next week.
[02:18] _3vian left the chat room. (Client Quit)
[02:19] JDBalogh: DelphiWorld: Why are you converting SIP to IAX?
[02:19] profsr left the chat room. ("Leaving.")
[02:19] DelphiWorld: JDBalogh: sip blocked
[02:20] JDBalogh: Ah. So need to have a PBX for some reason? Ie: use Zoiper free client instead of CounterPath?
[02:20] JDBalogh: (iax/sip both free in zoiper)
[02:20] RandalSchwartz: I had two gc accounts, became two google voice accounts
[02:21] DelphiWorld: JDBalogh: lol, zwaper i can't use it, is using the QT GUI library
[02:21] RandalSchwartz: then I got my third gv account by invite
[02:21] Zeeek: You 're supposed to be working RandalSchwartz
[02:21] DelphiWorld: JDBalogh: and qt is not accessible to me, i'm a blind person using a screen reader
[02:21] JDBalogh: DelphiWorld: Ah. Acceptable Use Policy - same thing prevents us from using Skype.
[02:21] RandalSchwartz: I know... heading out
[02:21] RandalSchwartz: just had to finish some errands at this house
[02:21] RandalSchwartz: GC had invites
[02:22] RandalSchwartz: then they cut them off
[02:22] JDBalogh: DelphiWorld: Oh. That's a good reason.
[02:22] RandalSchwartz: then gv got converted
[02:22] RandalSchwartz: you also have to have a US physical phone number
[02:22] RandalSchwartz: to validate the account
[02:22] JDBalogh: DelphiWorld: Send email to JDB@psu.edu and I'll see what I can do for you.
[02:23] DelphiWorld: JDBalogh: thanks, i'm emaling
[02:23] JDBalogh: Randy: Thank your Wife!
[02:23] JDBalogh: So you get cold food?
[02:24] RandalSchwartz left the chat room. ("ok, really outta here")
[02:24] brycec: Zeeek: that would be cool!
[02:27] Zeeek: bye all, thanks
[02:27] Zeeek: for all the fish