[5:52pm] MaxwellsDemon: are the magic words "squeamish ossifrage"? [5:54pm] • MicroChip32 waves thanks to jasonwert for his help delivering a box for mike the other night [5:54pm] DelphiWorld: Zeeek: later i can talk to vilage telco owner? [5:55pm] jtodd: G.711, sorry. [5:55pm] jtodd: No Snom device yet. [5:55pm] jtodd: I suspect I won't see one. [5:56pm] imchandave: Here's an interesting product: Check out the customer images: http://www.amazon.com/Mobile-Office-WM-01-Laptop-Steering/dp/B000IZGIA8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1257526421&sr=8-1 [5:56pm] MaxwellsDemon: percussive maintenance [5:56pm] ricko73: beek: that worked! [5:57pm] • ricko73 watches Zeeek run across the ocean [5:57pm] beek: ricko73: Good deal. [5:58pm] jasonwert: Hey no problem. i think the Gallery is about a block away is all. [5:58pm] jtodd: Haven't checked mail since yesterday afternoon. "Fetching 36 of 600:..." Ouch. [5:58pm] MicroChip32: jasonwert : map looked like a block and a half. a nice brisk walk. that was my sis you met. [5:59pm] jasonwert: Yeah, she was right there when I walked in. Seemed very nice. I've never been in there before [6:00pm] Katty: hi [6:00pm] beek: Hey! Hellooooooo Katty! [6:00pm] DelphiWorld: Katty: hello [6:00pm] DelphiWorld: Katty: you are a pjsip member i think, right? [6:00pm] MaxwellsDemon: i dont blame them for blocking [6:02pm] jtodd: Live is a relative term. [6:02pm] Katty: DelphiWorld: [6:03pm] beek: Those shirts you wear could wake the dead. [6:03pm] MicroChip32: jtodd : this whole thing is relative isnt it ? LOL [6:03pm] DelphiWorld: Katty: right? [6:03pm] Katty: never heard of it. [6:03pm] DelphiWorld: Katty: [6:03pm] DelphiWorld: pjsip is a sip stack [6:03pm] jtodd: MicroChip32: Yes, it is very relative. Happily, though, I'm not related to any of you. [6:03pm] jtodd: [6:03pm] Traveler is now known as Guest98001. [6:04pm] DelphiWorld: Zeeek: gw me [6:04pm] Katty: either i'm retarded, or the pin number hasn't been released. [6:04pm] MicroChip32: jtodd : i'll refrain from commenting, i have enough holes in my foot [6:05pm] DelphiWorld: Zeeek: nice music! [6:06pm] e4voip: Hello [6:06pm] deancollins: lol sorry Rany, went to take the mic off mute and hung up [6:06pm] deancollins: yes I'm here [6:07pm] DelphiWorld: hello e4voip [6:07pm] Zeeek: Speaking: Michael Graves [6:07pm] Katty: oh boy. i hear voices. [6:07pm] deancollins: whats the URL [6:08pm] Katty: see topic. [6:08pm] MicroChip32: so do i ... wonder if theyre the same voices ? LOL [6:08pm] Katty: lol [6:08pm] Zeeek: http://VillageTelco.org [6:08pm] Reubwen: I'm in! [6:08pm] Zeeek: Speaking: Steve Song, http://VillageTelco.org [6:08pm] Zeeek: I'd give him a 0.8 jtodds [6:09pm] Katty: this isn't nearly as fun. i can't make funny faces at the speaker from the crowd. [6:09pm] Arie-babyTEL: lol Katty [6:09pm] Zeeek: Katty what are you wearing? [6:09pm] • Zeeek ducks [6:09pm] Arie-babyTEL: heh [6:09pm] Katty: shrubberies. [6:09pm] Zeeek: cool [6:09pm] Arie-babyTEL: strawberries? [6:09pm] Katty: no, they're warm shrubberies. [6:09pm] Arie-babyTEL: shrubbery shortcake? [6:10pm] Katty: you have gone too far, sir. [6:10pm] Katty: hi tzafrir [6:10pm] Arie-babyTEL: oops :S [6:10pm] Zeeek: The Village Telco is an initiative to assemble and/or develop the cheapest, easiest-to-setup, easiest-to-manage, scalable, standards-based, wireless local do-it-yourself telephone company toolkit in the world. We believe this is achievable through the use of Open Source software and low-cost, off-the-shelf, consumer communication technologies. [6:10pm] Arie-babyTEL: very cool [6:10pm] Katty: monopoly telco [6:10pm] Katty: now featuring Boardwalk for $450 [6:10pm] Zeeek: ZipDX:30 TS:6 [6:10pm] MaxwellsDemon: sounds like something i should be looking into for emergency management [6:11pm] Arie-babyTEL: would a facebook voice chat app help? [6:11pm] Katty: climbing trees to get a signal? now there's a thought. [6:11pm] Zeeek: Village Telco focuses on voices services, both from the point of view of making them work as effectively as possible at as low a cost as possible but also from the point of view of creating a sustainable business model for entrepreneurs. [6:11pm] Arie-babyTEL: lord! [6:11pm] Katty: Zeeek: wow, look at all your fancy words. [6:11pm] Zeeek: now thazt I made the one sexist joke, please keep the chat on topic [6:12pm] Arie-babyTEL: i dont even know i can climb a tree [6:12pm] Arie-babyTEL: in fact i know i can't [6:12pm] jtodd: It's not a spectrum question. It's a policy question. [6:12pm] Katty: Arie-babyTEL: clearly you have signal. [6:12pm] Zeeek: VT began training people 5 years ago to develop infrastructure in the 3rd world [6:12pm] • Katty applauds [6:13pm] Arie-babyTEL: KatTY: Better signal than noisE? [6:13pm] Zeeek: Speaking: Steve Song, http://VillageTelco.org [6:13pm] Katty: sounds canadian. [6:14pm] mjgraves: yes, he is [6:14pm] Zeeek: http://www.shuttleworthfoundation.org/ [6:14pm] Katty: it's very refreshing. [6:14pm] Zeeek: Canada: "It's like being in the loft above a really good party" [6:14pm] MicroChip32: lol [6:15pm] Reubwen: seems like they are using the IP0x series - very nice piece of hardwares. [6:15pm] Arie-babyTEL: We're Canadian too [6:15pm] Zeeek: We're all Canadian [6:15pm] Arie-babyTEL: Nice! [6:15pm] e4voip: eh [6:15pm] Katty: honorary conadians? [6:15pm] mjgraves: no no no..it's a small club [6:15pm] Katty: conadians? [6:15pm] mjgraves: to quote a beer commercial\ [6:15pm] mjgraves: I am Canadian [6:15pm] Katty: You Are Way Too Geeky For Me(tm) [6:16pm] Guest98001: Sort of like what everybody wants, but nobody has figured out so far. Does everything, costs nothing, and has no bugs. [6:16pm] Zeeek: Ich bin ein Candianian [6:16pm] Arie-babyTEL: CONadians: People who tell others they're Canadian to get better treatment [6:16pm] jtodd: Anyone else getting a strange echo on this or is it just me? [6:16pm] Zeeek: no echo for me [6:16pm] Katty: jtodd: mine's fine. [6:16pm] Arie-babyTEL: Nein [6:16pm] mjgraves: not echo, but a little chop [6:16pm] jtodd: OK, gone now. Maybe just me. Weird. [6:16pm] Arie-babyTEL: Du bist Kanadier [6:16pm] e4voip: fine here [6:16pm] Katty: that sounds like Zeeek [6:16pm] Arie-babyTEL: I can't use PhonefromHere [6:17pm] Katty: [6:17pm] • Zeeek bin minnesotan zo like canadian [6:17pm] jasonwert: Here in Northern Michigan, we are further north than the majority of the population of Canada. That makes us honorary Canuckleheads [6:17pm] Katty: brave soul. [6:17pm] Arie-babyTEL: ack [6:17pm] Zeeek: Speaking: Michael Graves [6:17pm] Arie-babyTEL: Another CONadian [6:17pm] Zeeek: Speaking: Steve Song, http://VillageTelco.org [6:17pm] Katty: well at least i can understand him. [6:17pm] Katty: unlike junky. [6:17pm] Zeeek: what we have here is a murder of canadians! [6:18pm] Katty: junky is a little too French Canadian. [6:18pm] mjgraves: I used to hunt for internet cafes here in the US..long ago [6:18pm] TDF: im canadian too but in the uk [6:18pm] Katty: hmm. phone coupons. interesting. [6:19pm] Zeeek: I'm an alien, I'm a legal alien... [6:19pm] Katty: you remind me of the Reddit Alien. [6:19pm] Arie-babyTEL: how can you be too French Canadian? [6:19pm] Arie-babyTEL: in Minnesota? [6:19pm] Mag1400: any canadians in Canada? [6:19pm] Arie-babyTEL: Memememememe [6:19pm] Zeeek: Michael Graves is wearing a g722 codec [6:20pm] Zeeek: very much in fashion this year [6:20pm] Katty: junky isn't from Minnesota. [6:20pm] mjgraves: also a lovely Plantronics USB headset [6:20pm] Reubwen: Zeeek: wearing? [6:20pm] mjgraves: good accents are critical [6:20pm] Arie-babyTEL: no, the Minesotta part was in response to the legal alien comment - as opposed to "in new york" [6:20pm] Katty: accents are always critical for holding attention. [6:21pm] Arie-babyTEL: I do accents [6:21pm] Zeeek: But accents are so much better in w i d e b a n d [6:21pm] Katty: and they're very refreshing when you're from Southern Missouri [6:21pm] Katty: all you hear is Redneck(tm) [6:21pm] DelphiWorld: Zeeek: latr please tel me talk to vtel owner [6:22pm] Arie-babyTEL: Misery? Didn;t that take place in New England? [6:22pm] MaxwellsDemon: what part of southern missouri? [6:23pm] Katty: the flat part. [6:23pm] Zeeek: TS:6 ZipDX:31 [6:23pm] steely_glint: 4 skype channels [6:23pm] MaxwellsDemon: Katty: I am from southern illinois [6:23pm] Zeeek: Mesh Potato: http://www.villagetelco.org/mesh-potato/about/ [6:23pm] Katty: MaxwellsDemon: i hope not cairo. [6:24pm] Zeeek: The Mesh Potato is a new device for providing low-cost telephony and Internet in areas where alternative access either doesn’t exist or is too expensive. [6:24pm] Reubwen: IP0x is one of my favourite asterisk devices [6:24pm] MaxwellsDemon: Katty: no, not cairo, but not terribly further north than that [6:24pm] Katty: Zeeek: it sounds very interesting. i'm browsing the documentation. [6:24pm] JimCifarelli: Question: What kind of distances apart can the "Mesh Potato" devices be placed? [6:24pm] Katty: MaxwellsDemon: Anna? [6:24pm] MaxwellsDemon: Katty: Harrisburg [6:25pm] MaxwellsDemon: went to college at Cape Girardeau [6:25pm] Zeeek: IP04: http://www.rowetel.com/ucasterisk/ [6:25pm] Katty: MaxwellsDemon: i live in cape. [6:25pm] Zeeek: http://www.rowetel.com/ucasterisk/ip04.html [6:25pm] MaxwellsDemon: Katty: whoa, small world [6:25pm] Katty: MaxwellsDemon: yes. [6:25pm] Katty: MaxwellsDemon: pleasure to meet you. [6:26pm] Zeeek: hey kfife [6:26pm] kfife: howdy. [6:26pm] MaxwellsDemon: Katty: pleasure to meet you as well [6:26pm] Zeeek: steely_glint: can you see if anyone is on any of your channels? [6:26pm] Arie-babyTEL: Now that would be interesting p2p mobile phone networks [6:27pm] Katty: retail++ [6:27pm] steely_glint: 4 skype callers and 1 (me) on the widget [6:27pm] DelphiWorld: Zeeek: i'm in skype [6:27pm] steely_glint: Take that back - 5 skype channels - Maxed out [6:28pm] Zeeek: anyone on ld.vuc.me ? or can you tell? [6:28pm] kfife: mjgraves: Can you bring up the choice of a CSMA technology like 802.11x vs. something like OpenBTS and the use of any of zillions of old gsm phones? [6:28pm] steely_glint: I need to add those licenses [6:28pm] Zeeek: yea [6:28pm] steely_glint: No-one on ld -everyone on vuc.me [6:29pm] mjgraves: ok [6:29pm] e4voip: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/10604 - Article about Mesh Potato @linuxjournal [6:29pm] Arie-babyTEL: great topic kfife! [6:30pm] DelphiWorld: what is Mesh Potato ? [6:30pm] mjgraves: http://www.villagetelco.org/mesh-potato/origin/ [6:31pm] MicroChip32: DelphiWorld : a common dish usually served with gravy [6:31pm] DelphiWorld: can i get a test box? [6:31pm] Katty: oh boy, who has that voice. [6:31pm] Zeeek: Speaking Karl Fife kfife [6:31pm] jtodd: Heck, I climb up trees to get my phone to work here in Portland. [6:31pm] Katty: kfife: <3 [6:31pm] Katty: kfife: you missed your calling in the Radio Industry [6:31pm] Reubwen: DelphiWorld: boxes can be bought from the open telephony projects (and others). [6:31pm] Zeeek: Kfife has a lot of success with the ladies [6:32pm] Arie-babyTEL: Haha John! [6:32pm] qxork: or they will impose a private pbx tax / fee [6:32pm] Arie-babyTEL: Are you on AT&T? [6:32pm] Reubwen: DelphiWorld: I'm going to do a rewiew on the IP01 box this weekend. [6:32pm] DelphiWorld: Reubwen: i'm realy impressed [6:32pm] Reubwen: DelphiWorld: I really like the IP01 box. [6:32pm] mjgraves: Ruebwen that's very cool [6:32pm] DelphiWorld: Reubwen: are you in astfin or something? [6:33pm] DelphiWorld: i'm realy realy stressed [6:33pm] JimCifarelli: (1 hour ago) EBay Settles Suit With Skype Founders - http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704328104574519411132567706.html?mod=googlenews_wsj [6:33pm] Zeeek: ZipDX:33 Talkshoe:7 [6:33pm] maximCH: Zeeek: The stuff arrived!!! Thanks very much! just unpacking it! [6:33pm] Zeeek: .nu domain name [6:33pm] Reubwen: DelphiWorld: no - but I have a very close working relation ship with the guys making the Web GUI on the box (and is also the European distributor). [6:33pm] Zeeek: maximCH: both packages? [6:34pm] Zeeek: Speaking: Dean Collins [6:34pm] Arie-babyTEL: Thanks Jim! [6:34pm] DelphiWorld: Zeeek: can you bring me one please? [6:34pm] jtodd: Sorry, Randy, there is no "conscience" in wireless provider's vocabulary. [6:35pm] Zeeek: but all big biz recognizes corporate giving [6:35pm] Zeeek: even AT&T [6:35pm] Zeeek: it helps them [6:35pm] jtodd: You're crazy if you think AT&T is going to "gift" spectrum after paying billions. [6:35pm] Katty: AT&T needs to send a little corporate giving my way. [6:35pm] Zeeek: full sentence: it helps them look like like the corporate f***ks they really are [6:36pm] steely_glint: A development specialist I met pointed out that the incumbent is often _very_ close to a govenment [6:36pm] steely_glint: often family. [6:36pm] jtodd: I agree with steely_glint entirely. [6:36pm] Zeeek: My question is this: WHO gave away MY part of the spectrum? [6:36pm] jtodd: Africa is not the same as western nations. [6:36pm] Zeeek: I want my slice [6:36pm] Katty: wow 50% or more? [6:36pm] Katty: that is /insane/ [6:36pm] steely_glint: the GSM is a cash cow and it is literally dangerous to interfer [6:36pm] jtodd: Zeeek: I'm sorry, you're barking up the wrong tree in Africa, certainly. [6:37pm] Zeeek: we can all agree on most of this. Unfortunately [6:37pm] Zeeek: Socialism is where it's at [6:37pm] kfife: Those are some fat margins! [6:37pm] Zeeek: we all own the spectrum [6:37pm] Zeeek: The Peopl™ [6:37pm] steely_glint: Gotta go guys... [6:37pm] Katty: bye. [6:37pm] maximCH: Zeeek: yes.. both [6:37pm] steely_glint: enjoy. [6:37pm] Zeeek: steely_glint: thanks for all the fish [6:38pm] • Katty must go check on oven. [6:38pm] DelphiWorld: Reubwen: can you bering me one? [6:38pm] Zeeek: Speaking: John Todd [6:38pm] Reubwen: DelphiWorld: show me the cash [6:38pm] maximCH: Zeeek: I have to get ready for www.tropicool.ch party though [6:38pm] qxork: John Todd sounds significantly better than normal [6:38pm] kfife: Sure Mr. Incumbent, we can connect you. Please take note of my high network access charges! [6:38pm] qxork: or is that just the contrast [6:38pm] kfife: 1.1 JTF [6:39pm] DelphiWorld: Reubwen: price? [6:39pm] Arie-babyTEL: Yes they need a forward looking org but investing in third world countries may be eligible for subsidies [6:39pm] Zeeek: not speaking any more: John Todd [6:39pm] Zeeek: [6:39pm] Arie-babyTEL: But yes it could pay off in the future [6:39pm] Reubwen: I see a big advantage using mobile VoIP devices with these wifi devices [6:39pm] jtodd: WiFi is the right trick. [6:39pm] jtodd: Unlicensed spectrum. [6:39pm] Zeeek: ubiquitous wifi [6:40pm] Arie-babyTEL: yes I think smartphone apps is where it's at [6:40pm] Reubwen: the atcom people are really nice (and yes, they do party ) [6:40pm] Zeeek: ZipDX:34 Talkshoe:5 [6:40pm] kfife: That's a high water mark! [6:40pm] Zeeek: maximCH: great, glad to hear and have a good party [6:40pm] kfife: 34!! [6:40pm] Zeeek: now 31 [6:41pm] Reubwen: DelphiWorld: Buy from http://www.rowetel.com/ucasterisk/store.html or from http://voiptel-pro.com/pbx.html [6:41pm] mjgraves: also http://www.ucpbx.com [6:42pm] maximCH: Thanks... speak to you all soon. [6:43pm] kfife: Son of a bitch: Another area code overlay in Chicago http://www.nanpa.com/pdf/PL_390.pdf [6:43pm] Zeeek: brb, no flipping, eschew silence [6:43pm] Katty: yay christmas time. [6:43pm] qxork: ugh [6:43pm] qxork: is it the conference or asterisk -> zipdx? [6:44pm] DelphiWorld: please give me the open hardware page! [6:44pm] DelphiWorld: for vilage telco [6:44pm] kfife: Routing change starts on Saturday. I am in CHICGOZN01 so I get to keep my 312 number! Whew! [6:44pm] deancollins: wow got to disagree that OLPC is responsible for netbook development [6:45pm] deancollins: FON [6:45pm] DelphiWorld: please could anyone bridge me with sip? [6:45pm] Zeeek: DelphiWorld: http://villagetelco.org [6:45pm] Ottone: fonera [6:45pm] deancollins: http://www.fon.com/en/ [6:46pm] DelphiWorld: Zeeek: thx [6:47pm] jtodd: Interestingly, I haven't heard a peep from FON in the last ~1yr or so. [6:47pm] Zeeek: I have a FON. Hooked it up for anout 3 days [6:47pm] Arie-babyTEL: Karl: That's the first time I heard of you having to change your area code w/ overlays [6:47pm] Arie-babyTEL: freebox in France is doing very well [6:48pm] Zeeek: what is freebox? I thought that was free [6:48pm] Zeeek: free.fr [6:48pm] Zeeek: my neighbor is on fre [6:48pm] Zeeek: e [6:48pm] deancollins: http://boingboing.net/2009/04/21/fon-releases-open-me.html [6:49pm] kfife: Zeeek: look at the subdomain: not.free... [6:49pm] kfife: Zeeek: farfrom.free.... [6:49pm] kfife: Zeeek: youthoughtitwas.free... [6:50pm] Zeeek: the free modem/router is called freebox no? [6:50pm] Zeeek: I want fiber now [6:50pm] mjgraves: disruptive, no? [6:50pm] Zeeek: 100/100Mbps [6:51pm] tzafrir_laptop: gee.. the large telcos provide infrastructure. but it's too expensive [6:51pm] tzafrir_laptop: What does google have to gain from this? Do you want Google as your ISP? [6:52pm] DelphiWorld: tzafrir_laptop: i want xorcom! [6:53pm] Zeeek: question about the mesh device placements and ranges [6:53pm] • tzafrir_laptop still wonders why there's no decent free hardware phone [6:54pm] DelphiWorld: what vilage telcom produce? [6:54pm] DelphiWorld: what type of hardware? [6:54pm] DelphiWorld: hooooooooooo mech FXS! [6:55pm] DelphiWorld: all that is open? realy? [6:56pm] Reubwen: I have a question - just page me in. [6:56pm] Zeeek: Reubwen: ok [6:56pm] Zeeek: you're unmuted and all? [6:57pm] Reubwen: yepp [6:57pm] Zeeek: k [6:57pm] DelphiWorld: what is the rowetel.com owner? [6:58pm] mjgraves: David Rowe is the hardware designer [6:58pm] mjgraves: open source hardware [6:58pm] mjgraves: a freely available design [6:58pm] Zeeek: Hi markwaters [6:58pm] DelphiWorld: mjgraves: is here? in irc? [6:59pm] Zeeek: DelphiWorld: yes [6:59pm] DelphiWorld: Zeeek: there nick? [6:59pm] Arie-babyTEL: More and more it sounds like the end of paid phone service is nigh - long live wireless wideband [6:59pm] kfife: Arie-babyTEL: We don't, but wouldn't the subs in those areas need to be reached using the new NPA? [6:59pm] Zeeek: mjgraves: is, ofddly, called mjgraves [6:59pm] mjgraves: no, David Rowe is in Australia [7:00pm] mjgraves: wrong time of day there now [7:00pm] Zeeek: ZipDX:28 TS:4 [7:00pm] markwaters: Zeeek: hey there [7:00pm] Zeeek: Plug a phone into the mesh potato [7:00pm] jtodd: OK, an IVR for configuration is pretty cool. [7:00pm] DelphiWorld: Zeeek: what is there nickname? [7:01pm] • DelphiWorld want to by added to googlewave [7:01pm] Arie-babyTEL: Every time I see mesh potato I think do the twist [7:01pm] Arie-babyTEL: yeah pls add me to the wave [7:02pm] Zeeek: VUC wave: get on the mailing list [7:02pm] DelphiWorld: Zeeek: i want to talk about a project [7:02pm] markwaters: what is the google wave url ? [7:02pm] Zeeek: http://vuc.me/mailinglist [7:02pm] DelphiWorld: markwaters: http://www.googlewave.com [7:03pm] Arie-babyTEL: thanks Zeeek! [7:03pm] ricko73: Zeeek: that's muzak, not music [7:03pm] Arie-babyTEL: hahaha touché incompatible encoding [7:03pm] ricko73: touche too [7:04pm] kfife: Landgrab on vanity numbers in ara code 872!! [7:04pm] Arie-babyTEL: ok i`m off to an online community managers chat [7:04pm] DelphiWorld: please what is david nickname here [7:05pm] kfife: Our wave is starting to tsound like a tsunami [7:06pm] e4voip: Using Waver here - AIR app - Seems useful [7:07pm] e4voip: waver - http://bit.ly/6cUvO [7:07pm] jasonwert: I love my extensions [7:07pm] jasonwert: chromium [7:07pm] jasonwert: it kinda sucks [7:07pm] Arie-babyTEL: you can use social bookmarking sites to `sync`though [7:08pm] Reubwen: if anyone can get me a wave invite I'll take a look at the API and make for easy adding of VUC users for the VUC wave. [7:08pm] e4voip: VUC is Stable... [7:08pm] DelphiWorld: Reubwen: i will invite you now [7:09pm] DelphiWorld: Reubwen: give me your email in PM [7:09pm] Reubwen: DelphiWorld: thanks. [7:09pm] e4voip: Yesterday's Coffee is for Closers [7:09pm] DelphiWorld: Reubwen: np [7:09pm] Reubwen: thanks a lot - really appreciated. [7:09pm] DelphiWorld: Reubwen: np! [7:09pm] jasonwert: Coffee is just like wine, gets better with age [7:09pm] Zeeek: heh [7:09pm] kfife: e4voip: thanks hooking me up with that NTP POE Clock. Do you know when it will ship? [7:10pm] DelphiWorld: wine;) [7:10pm] DelphiWorld: wine is not emulator [7:11pm] ricko73: http://pastebin.com/d62236c62 [7:13pm] Zeeek: hey tim-mattison [7:13pm] tim-mattison: Hey there. [7:14pm] mjgraves: http://www.slideshare.net/ssong/village-telco-tedx-newtown [7:15pm] Zeeek: thx mjgraves I need to put that on the VUC site [7:16pm] DelphiWorld: Zeeek: do you added me to vucwave? [7:16pm] Zeeek: who is typing away? [7:16pm] Zeeek: MUTE [7:16pm] tim-mattison: That Java client doesn't like me. [7:16pm] Reubwen: Zeeek: my bad - sowwy. [7:17pm] imchandave: ricko73: what does "getfattr 4.html" return? [7:17pm] tim-mattison: Anyway, to the guy who had problems deleting files as root. Did you check the immutable flag? I had the same problem once before and it blew me away. [7:17pm] tim-mattison: http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/11/make-your-files-immutable-which-even.html [7:17pm] Zeeek: ricko73: did you see that ^^^^^^^^^ [7:17pm] imchandave: tim-mattison: that's what I was thinking. [7:17pm] jtodd: Digium security webinar: https://www1.gotomeeting.com/register/828991377 [7:17pm] tim-mattison: haha, I'm too late. Damned Java! [7:18pm] tim-mattison: It stunned me that in using Linux for 10+ years I had never heard of immutable files until about three months ago. [7:18pm] Zeeek: interesting [7:19pm] imchandave: ricko73: if the filesystem is a ext3, then try booting single-user, manuall mounting the filesystem as ext2 and then attempting to remove the file. [7:20pm] ricko73: imchandave: we've been in single user mode, but didn't try ext2 [7:20pm] ricko73: files are not immutable [7:20pm] ricko73: lsattr says so [7:21pm] imchandave: Have you tried booting off a live disk and then trying to remove the file? [7:21pm] tim-mattison: Your utils are probably rooted. [7:21pm] ricko73: imchandave: can't do it. box is in a secure colo (requires security clearance to gain access to the building) [7:22pm] ricko73: tim-mattison: we've run rkhunter and chkrootkit plus copied known good binaries to the system [7:22pm] Zeeek: I changed my voicemail password! [7:22pm] imchandave: then you can't trust that machines binaries. [7:22pm] Zeeek: it used to be # [7:22pm] Zeeek: now it's 1234# [7:22pm] Zeeek: bring it on! [7:22pm] tim-mattison: Wow, I don't envy you, ricko73. [7:23pm] ricko73: tim-mattison: it's not my box. It's a friend's box [7:23pm] tim-mattison: I personally use the ABCD tones when voicemail systems let me. [7:23pm] DelphiWorld: heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee [7:23pm] ricko73: plus it's a high-traffic system [7:23pm] DelphiWorld: mech IVR? [7:23pm] DelphiWorld: realy? [7:23pm] Zeeek: keep talking with imchandave and everyone, someone will eventually come up with THE solution [7:23pm] DelphiWorld: nice for me a a blind person! [7:24pm] imchandave: No solution when you don't have physical access. You can't trust the binaries on the machine...even the bootloader. [7:24pm] Zeeek: imchandave: this is why I'd always be afraid to use a colo [7:25pm] Zeeek: are there 12 number in Somalia? [7:25pm] • DelphiWorld get ignored here;) [7:25pm] imchandave: The only way is to get physical access to the machine, boot off a live disk and retrieve files from the box...then reformat/re-install. [7:25pm] ricko73: imchandave: we're relatively sure that this only affects the one directory [7:25pm] ricko73: setting up a spare system with 1TB of data isn't an easy task [7:26pm] imchandave: no guarantee. Too easy to modify the system so that the hack's are not visible. [7:26pm] tim-mattison: Don't forget those BIOS root kits - http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=3828 [7:27pm] tim-mattison: If your problem is that deep then you should probably burn the machine. [7:30pm] kfife: Teledon: Your connection to the mafia [7:30pm] imchandave: ricko73: how did your friend get access to single-user mode remotely, via a remote KVM? [7:30pm] jtodd: I can type 1200 baud. [7:31pm] ricko73: imchandave: yes, remote kvm [7:31pm] DelphiWorld: anyone do mesh assembling? [7:31pm] DelphiWorld: i want to order one! [7:31pm] imchandave: Is there any way to have a USB stick loaded with a live CD sent to the secure Colo and plugged into that machine? [7:32pm] ricko73: mounting as ext2 instead of ext3 doesn't work either [7:32pm] jtodd: OK, gotta run. [7:32pm] jtodd: Talk to everyone next week! [7:32pm] ricko73: later tie-dyed dude [7:32pm] jtodd: "Hey, man, catch you later." [7:33pm] ricko73: tim-mattison: I agree burning the machine is the best bet [7:33pm] Zeeek: what happened to mjgraves ? [7:33pm] Zeeek: oh [7:34pm] Zeeek: mjgraves: PM widow [7:35pm] DelphiWorld: mjgraves: ping [7:35pm] imchandave: ricko73: Have you tried renaming it via sed on the raw parition? [7:37pm] imchandave: actually, the gnu sed doesn't work as well as writing a simple program that opens the /dev/sdXXX device, search for the 4.html string and change it. [7:38pm] kfife: DFrankel: I [7:38pm] qxork: 0.05 JT [7:38pm] DFrankel: @kfife: NANPA planning letter for 872 says that this overlay was approved by the ICC in 1999. [7:38pm] kfife: 'd love to ask you a question about provider availability--esp as it relates to smaller clecs [7:39pm] Zeeek: who is 0.05 JT? [7:39pm] DFrankel: @kfife: So its taken 10 years for them to get to the point that they actually felt they needed to assign numbers out of it. [7:39pm] e4voip: Whew... Call dropped [7:39pm] kfife: DFrankel: That's a long time ago. Back then if I recall 773 was added [7:39pm] kfife: My girlfriend went from 312 to 773 [7:39pm] Zeeek: in weight? [7:40pm] ricko73: Zeeek: they shipped her to the moon? [7:40pm] imchandave: Zeeek: [7:40pm] Zeeek: VoicePulse [7:40pm] beek: You're in rare form today Zeeek [7:40pm] ricko73: imchandave: nada on the sed [7:40pm] Zeeek: anyine just joining, we have an ongoing mystery about file access [7:40pm] imchandave: ricko73: better to write a simple program that opens /dev/sdaXXX (or /dev/hdaXXX or whatever is the HD device) and search and replace... [7:41pm] beek: ricko73: You need to open a new channel that we all can join. [7:41pm] beek: What was imchandave's question/suggestion? [7:41pm] imchandave: If you can find the program called: hexedit you can do it without having to write a program. [7:42pm] Zeeek: hexedit is good [7:42pm] Zeeek: hahahaha [7:42pm] imchandave: beek: my suggestion was relating to renaming a file that resists all attempts at removal on an EXT3 filesystem. [7:42pm] Zeeek: Speaking: David Frankel, ZipDX [7:42pm] beek: tnx [7:43pm] Zeeek: Taking down Talkshoe in a few.... 5 [7:44pm] Zeeek: Taking down Talkshoe bridge in .... 4 [7:44pm] Zeeek: SPeaking: Fred (qxork) [7:45pm] Zeeek: ZipDX: 20 chans [7:45pm] Zeeek: Taking down Talkshoe bridge in .... 3 [7:45pm] ricko73: imchandave: hexedit is on the machine [7:46pm] ricko73: imchandave: do you happen to have skype? [7:46pm] Zeeek: Taking down Talkshoe bridge in .... 2 [7:46pm] DFrankel: @kfife: 773 was created in 1996 when it was split from 312. [7:46pm] ricko73: the guy I'm working with is on skype chat with me [7:46pm] ricko73: Otherwise I can get him in irc [7:46pm] imchandave: ricko73: sorry, no skype. [7:46pm] Zeeek: excellent [7:46pm] Zeeek: oh [7:46pm] Zeeek: bad [7:47pm] Zeeek: you guys can go to #asterisk-users-conference [7:47pm] Zeeek: which we havn't used in years [7:48pm] imchandave: ricko73: the hexedit I used on my linux box: rigaux.org/hexedit-1.2.12.src.tgz [7:48pm] ricko73: Zeeek: we can create our own channel or go into a different channel [7:48pm] ricko73: #astlinux is low use [7:48pm] ricko73: we don't mind. Let me see if I can get him on irc [7:48pm] Zeeek: depends on who you want to see [7:49pm] ricko73: Ok. Gonna have him hop into #astlinux [7:49pm] ricko73: anyone who wants to help, head on over there [7:54pm] Reubwen: gotta go - C U next week! [7:54pm] Zeeek: bye Reubwen [7:55pm] qxork: gonna call back in. brb [7:55pm] tzafrir_laptop: if that VillageTelco stuff is so good, why not use it elsewhere? [7:56pm] tzafrir_laptop: (IOW: why aim just for Africa?) [7:56pm] tzafrir_laptop: (Or: Is it good enough just to poor African villagers?) [7:57pm] MaxwellsDemon: bellcore/telecordia standards are sometimes a pain to read through [7:59pm] TDF: whats the adrees for the zipdx dashboard ? [7:59pm] TDF: address [8:01pm] DFrankel: http://guest.zipdx.com/200901 [8:01pm] TDF: thanks [8:01pm] Zeeek: my Chrome is the latest [8:03pm] Zeeek: dinner is smelling good [8:04pm] DelphiWorld: Zeeek: give me a pizza;) [8:04pm] Zeeek: Actually, it's a tagine! [8:06pm] DelphiWorld: Zeeek: give me a litle;)!:P [8:12pm] kfife: DFrankel: orange outlets: battery backup? [8:12pm] • ricko73 wandering away to get food [8:13pm] DFrankel: @kfife: Yes, buildings that have backup power of some kind (battery, generator) will put select outlets in rooms that are on the backup system. [8:14pm] DFrankel: @kfife: Since usually the backup can't support the entire load, they only put selected items on it. [8:14pm] kfife: DFrankel: and how the hell do you prevent them from plugging their spaceheaters in to those outlets? [8:14pm] DFrankel: @kfife: You don't; you have to police it manually. [8:15pm] kfife: DFrankel: I see that kind of crap. Pain in the ass [8:16pm] ricko73: i haz can cheeseburger [8:16pm] kfife: ricko73: What is the origin of that phrase? Lolcats? [8:16pm] DFrankel: 20-year-old article about telco reliability: http://www.nytimes.com/1988/05/26/business/phone-system-feared-vulnerable-to-wider-disruptions-of-service.html?pagewanted=all [8:17pm] kfife: DFrankel: Thanks [8:17pm] ricko73: kfife: yes of course [8:17pm] kfife: ricko73: I kinda missed that phenomenon [8:17pm] MaxwellsDemon: the generator we have is more than enough to power the facilities even if the girls up front go all space heater happy [8:17pm] Zeeek: so the ZipDX to Skype audio is excellent [8:18pm] Zeeek: I guess my input to it wasn't so good. [8:18pm] kfife: MaxwellsDemon: you also have to worry about 'dirty' and inrush loads like motors. [8:18pm] kfife: MaxwellsDemon: Don't plug your##)$ private fridge in to that outlet!!! [8:19pm] MaxwellsDemon: kfife: conditioning UPSs on all servers as wll [8:19pm] MaxwellsDemon: so no worries [8:19pm] MaxwellsDemon: the genny is much larger than our power needs could be [8:19pm] Zeeek: ricko73: you guys gettin anywhere? [8:19pm] ricko73: I'm eating lunch...I guess that's progress [8:19pm] kfife: MaxwellsDemon: nice [8:19pm] Zeeek: ricko73: well I hope it helps [8:20pm] ricko73: can't hurt [8:22pm] MaxwellsDemon: xmpp is jabber [8:23pm] MaxwellsDemon: i *believe* it is extensible [8:26pm] _ShrikE: It is sent in the diversion header [8:26pm] ricko73: does anyone still need a wave invite? [8:26pm] ricko73: I received 2 from a guy who invited me 5 weeks ago [8:26pm] ricko73: instant access [8:27pm] Zeeek: aren't they pointed at your email? [8:27pm] ricko73: no [8:27pm] Zeeek: otherwise, Rueben was asking [8:27pm] ricko73: they are just links. I believe you can specify your email as part of the sign up process [8:28pm] Ottone: i could use one [8:29pm] kfife: ricko73: I'd love an invite for a fellow employee if you can spare it. [8:29pm] Zeeek: ricko73: did you see Ruben's addr [8:30pm] ricko73: Zeeek: sent to ruben [8:30pm] Zeeek: thx [8:30pm] Zeeek: he got his shirt, too [8:31pm] DFrankel: @kfife: I get a "diversion" header from Qwest when a call is forwarded. [8:31pm] imchandave: Fred needs to go to the bathroom. His hand is up. [8:31pm] Zeeek: heh [8:32pm] Zeeek: I spalled it down [8:32pm] Zeeek: slapped [8:33pm] ricko73: first one to put their email in here will get the invite [8:33pm] Ottone: you get a 24 month credit [8:33pm] ricko73: 3 [8:33pm] ricko73: 2 [8:33pm] ricko73: 1 [8:33pm] ricko73: . [8:33pm] ricko73: . [8:33pm] ricko73: . [8:33pm] ricko73: . [8:33pm] kfife: just a sec [8:33pm] Ottone: hehe [8:33pm] Ottone: pleeeeease [8:33pm] Ottone: [8:34pm] Ottone: thx for destracting him [8:34pm] Zeeek: I tried to bring him back [8:34pm] imchandave: Wahh! that's no fair...I'm busy in astlinux helping someone! [8:34pm] Ottone: distracting [8:35pm] ricko73: imchandave: didn't know you needed one [8:36pm] ricko73: we'll keep an ear out for you and make sure you get one [8:36pm] imchandave: ricko73: yeah...still waiting for my google wave invite from google. I'm a patient man.... [8:37pm] ricko73: these were from someone who invited me like 5 weeks ago [8:38pm] ricko73: so then I get 2 of them last night [8:38pm] wt5n: i broke my htc phone so i've now got my sim card in an old nokia [8:40pm] e4voip: everyone say Ahhhh at once [8:41pm] Ottone: Since phones have much better address books SIMs have pretty much lost value as "settings repository" - store only 100 contacts with most basic info, only 50 SMS? No thanks. [8:41pm] • MicroChip32 holds his nose [8:41pm] Ottone: In the old time changing phones was MUCH easier with the help of the SIM card [8:43pm] imchandave: Ottone: SIMs could store encryption keys and Java Applets as well. [8:45pm] Ottone: Ever used the IVR of PayPal? Horrible. [8:45pm] Ottone: Prompts as long as the chinese wall. [8:49pm] Zeeek: I just realized, I can check up on your guys later via Skype [8:50pm] Zeeek: gonna check out on the audio portion [8:50pm] ricko73: /mnt/cdrom/os [8:50pm] Zeeek: g'bye fir now [8:50pm] Zeeek: ` [8:51pm] ricko73: file.img file.img.sha1 file.img.conf [8:51pm] ricko73: ver [8:51pm] ricko73: file2.img ... [8:55pm] kfife: DFrankel: Tuesday board meeting in California. I've decided NOT to travel to CA unlike the other board memebers because 40 DID's are going to port on Monday. Want to be here to oversee it. Wantd to talk to you about having one of our boys bringing one of our IP7000's and connecting me (the only remote party this tiem) in wideband, hopefully selling them on the idea. [8:56pm] DFrankel: @kfife: OK...VUC is on hold a the moment while I'm another call. [8:56pm] DFrankel: @kfife: Happy to chat w/ you about it. [8:56pm] kfife: DFrankel: Just hail me when you get a chance. [9:01pm] Zeeek: calling ZipDX via Skype with Tim's system sound really good. I'm listening on the iPod touch now [9:03pm] Ottone: Q: How do I get into the VUC wave? [9:06pm] Zeeek: they're public now [9:06pm] Zeeek: tag:VUC [9:06pm] Zeeek: search ^^^ [9:07pm] Zeeek: in wave [9:07pm] Ottone: k [9:08pm] Ottone: stupid question: search in where and how? [9:08pm] e4voip: Bail out? Fail out [9:08pm] Ottone: Inside "my" wave I seem to search only my own inbox [9:08pm] e4voip: what is your wave id - i'll add you [9:09pm] Ottone: wave id = googe username? [9:10pm] Ottone: blitzklitz [9:10pm] Ottone: confusing terminology [9:11pm] ricko73: Ottone: should be something@goooglewave.com [9:12pm] Zeeek: http://www.voipusersconference.org/about/zipdx-troubleshooting/ [9:13pm] Zeeek: go to http://wave.google.com/wave [9:13pm] Zeeek: you will see a word: "search" [9:13pm] Zeeek: you will type tag:VUC into the box marked "search" - maybe VUC alone works even [9:15pm] Zeeek: the waves are public now; we'll see how well that works out [9:16pm] beek: Screw zoning! [9:16pm] Ottone: Search is not working for me - the field defaults to "in:inbox" and both "VUC" or "tag:VUC" don't get me anywhere, no results [9:17pm] Zeeek: change inbox to tag:VUC -with:public [9:17pm] Zeeek: tag:VUC -with:public [9:17pm] Zeeek: in:inbox is the default [9:17pm] Zeeek: it is editable text [9:17pm] Ottone: yeah, sure [9:17pm] Ottone: but still [9:18pm] Zeeek: delete that text and type: [9:18pm] Zeeek: tag:VUC -with:public [9:18pm] Ottone: Aaah! That's better "-with:public" [9:19pm] Zeeek: Ottone: by the way, don't use those as a sandbox please? [9:19pm] Ottone: np [9:19pm] Zeeek: If you have no comment ON TOPIC use the social one or create a new one [9:19pm] Zeeek: they're bad enough as it is [9:19pm] ricko73: chan_console is set up in /etc/asterisk/console.conf [9:19pm] Ottone: Can I somehow set the search domain by default as "public"? Just curious. [9:20pm] Zeeek: look at this: https://wave.google.com/wave/#restored:search:tag%253AVUC+-with%253Apublic,restored:wave:googlewave.com!w%252BO_Lc70CiN [9:20pm] Zeeek: Ottone: I think there are sites that talk about wave [9:20pm] Zeeek: possibly even google sites [9:20pm] Zeeek: I don't know the answer [9:21pm] Ottone: ok ok, I'll shut up [9:21pm] Zeeek: I've been on the call via skype for 20 minutes, super [9:21pm] Zeeek: What I do see is that Steve SOng from today's conference is there so if anyone wants to contact him, it might be a way [9:22pm] Zeeek: is there a chan_charlie ? [9:23pm] tusc: http://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/Mod_portaudio [9:24pm] Zeeek: We'll have to get bkw on one of these days and ask that question [9:24pm] Ottone: I think they are working on a more friendly XML generator [9:24pm] beek: friendly XML is an oxymoron [9:24pm] Ottone: true [9:25pm] Zeeek: I was just thinking that [9:25pm] Ottone: but it was the "friendly generator" and not the "friendly XML" that I meant [9:25pm] Zeeek: Ottone: someone posted a link to a full guide to wave by google, but I don't have it handy [9:25pm] Ottone: k [9:25pm] tusc: there's a rather competent gui available now. FusionPBX which is based on the pfsense/FreeSWITCH gui: http://www.fusionpbx.com [9:25pm] beek: But those of us who live in the text-based CLI world would find it a PITA to work with. [9:25pm] Ottone: I guess that is why it is still beta, needs explanations [9:26pm] Ottone: I'll poke around