[5:59pm] uk-david: Hi Zeeek - not on audio yet [6:00pm] Zeeek: always happy to see you David [6:00pm] uk-david: Hi Zeeek - now in - through ZipDX [6:01pm] Zeeek: *6 toggles mute on both ZipDX and Talkshoe [6:01pm] FreedomYug1: can I get in with skype? [6:01pm] outtolunc: huh? dialiewhatsit? [6:01pm] Zeeek: ~skype [6:01pm] vucbot: it has been said that skype is skype:vuc.me or skype:ld.vuc.me (uses g729 for lower bandwidth) [6:02pm] ricko73: ~42 [6:03pm] • uk-david waves at qxork [6:03pm] • qxork waves back! [6:04pm] qxork: ~sons of asterisk [6:04pm] FreedomYug1: thanks. I am in with skype:vuc.me [6:04pm] DFrankel: Just a reminder that our formal program will start in a few minutes... [6:05pm] fainsys: rainy here in atlanta [6:05pm] uk-david: Snowing in the UK [6:05pm] qxork: uk-david: crazy! not even snowing here [6:06pm] Zeeek: not snowing here in Bordeaux yet [6:06pm] uk-david: qxork: if it carries on, the whole country will shut down... probably tomorrow! [6:06pm] Zeeek: some called in from Michigan, are you here? [6:06pm] Zeeek: uk-david: some countries SHOULD be shut down, maybe! [6:07pm] TheDavidFactor: are you a full fleged resporg? That's expensive itsn't? [6:07pm] JimCifarelli: Hi Guys.... Haven' made it to the VUC the last few weeks.... We had a baby! (our first) [6:07pm] Zeeek: CONGRATS JimCifarelli well done! [6:08pm] maximCH: DFrankel: what 800 provider does that? the one I have doesn't offer any of that service.. [6:08pm] maximCH: however though they are offering SIP termination now [6:08pm] JimCifarelli: Thanks Zeeek. She's a cutie! [6:08pm] TheDavidFactor: maximCH, it's handled by the sms/800 database [6:08pm] TheDavidFactor: any resporg can do it [6:08pm] Zeeek: ZipDX:36 callers [6:08pm] TheDavidFactor: but being a resporg isn't cheap [6:09pm] maximCH: k .. tnx. [6:09pm] outtolunc: ours was misprinted on ATT billing.. we have been getting calls for 10 year now [6:09pm] maximCH: sip termination on my 800 number is very cheap for me ... so I was just curious [6:09pm] _merlyn_: congradulations JimCifarelli ... [6:09pm] elguero: JimCifarelli: Congrats! Enjoy every minute... it goes by quick [6:09pm] p3n_ is now known as p3n. [6:09pm] Zeeek: elguero: how quick? [6:10pm] elguero: Zeeek: Too quick... My daughter is 3... it seems just like yesterday she was a baby [6:10pm] elguero: Zeeek: My son is already 8 months and it seems like it went by faster than with my daughter [6:11pm] jervin: My daughter is 20 and it seems like yesterday she was a baby. [6:11pm] DFrankel: @TheDavidFactor: The whole SMS/800 tariff is at their website. [6:11pm] DFrankel: @TheDavidFactor: It costs a few hundred bux to become a resporg, and you have to pass a test. [6:11pm] DFrankel: @TheDavidFactor: Then it just costs a handful of dollars / month. [6:12pm] _merlyn_: JimCifarelli ... howdy fellow New Yorker [6:12pm] tabbertmj____: Can we find those prompts anywhere? [6:12pm] beek: ~jtodd [6:12pm] vucbot: extra, extra, read all about it, jtodd is a unit of measurement of audio quality. Ratified by the VUC standards committee in 2009, one (1) jtodd is defined as 80% the audio quality produced by a Western Electric Model 500 telephone connected to a reasonably quiet analog POTS line. See also: jtodd-hd. [6:12pm] JimCifarelli: _merlyn, I'm in Albany, you? [6:12pm] _merlyn_: albany [6:12pm] DocAwesome: ~jtodd-hd [6:12pm] vucbot: i heard jtodd-hd is a proposed unit of measurement of audio quality defined as the audio quality produced using an HD-capable SIPO phone (such as the Polycom IP450) via g722. A sample has yet to be provided to the VUC standards committee. See also: jtodd. [6:13pm] JimCifarelli: _merlyn_, drop me an email if you like, I'm on gmail. use my last name as the username. [6:14pm] kiscokid: hi all [6:14pm] _merlyn_: will do jim ... [6:14pm] JimCifarelli: cool [6:14pm] qxork: it's neither now [6:14pm] qxork: [6:15pm] qxork: cama illy oh [6:15pm] • outtolunc looks around for a live cam [6:16pm] IdeaSIP: Wow... this may be the earliest I've made it to the VUC in a year. [6:16pm] uk-david: Can Alex give a brief overview of the project(s) for some background? [6:16pm] jervin: What IRC and how do you get on it? [6:17pm] abalashov: Howdy [6:17pm] Zeeek: http://www.packtpub.com/building-telephony-systems-with-openser/book [6:17pm] IdeaSIP: Forks of SER originally. [6:17pm] qxork: jitter [6:18pm] IdeaSIP: Yes. [6:18pm] TheDavidFactor: yes [6:18pm] FreedomYug1: yes [6:18pm] IdeaSIP: A bit of it. [6:19pm] IdeaSIP: Sounds better. [6:19pm] Zeeek: it didn't sound like jitter actually [6:19pm] IdeaSIP: Well... it DID. [6:19pm] DFrankel: Sounds like packet loss. [6:19pm] ricko73: Zeeek: sounds like dropped packets [6:19pm] JimCifarelli: Call the ZipDX number? [6:19pm] _3vian: can't call the SIP URI? [6:19pm] outtolunc: 567-252-2286 [6:20pm] uk-david: Is he downloading something from pirate bay at the same time as talking to us (with no QoS)? [6:20pm] JimCifarelli: 200901@login.zipdx.com [6:20pm] abalashov: uk-david: No [6:20pm] DaveM__: unchallenged and authenticated is a contradiction [6:20pm] packetman: post production rocks [6:20pm] abalashov: I said unchallenged/unauthenticated [6:21pm] uk-david: It's a record: must be about 15 minutes into the call before Gigasets get a mention! [6:21pm] jervin: btw, since Zoiper didn't support SIP: URI connections, I was able to update my Asterisk dialplan to do the connections for both ZipDX or Talkshoe [6:21pm] IdeaSIP: Ugh. It's raining here again. Miserable weather. [6:22pm] Zeeek: jervin: excellent [6:22pm] abalashov: Here too, though I love rain in principle [6:22pm] qxork: I still have that talkshoe port on the teamforrest blog [6:22pm] IdeaSIP: You and I are in the same place, Alex. [6:22pm] ricko73: IdeaSIP: quit your whining. It's finally in the 20's here [6:22pm] IdeaSIP: 20's C? [6:22pm] IdeaSIP: That's warm. [6:22pm] ricko73: F [6:22pm] abalashov: IdeaSIP: We are? [6:22pm] IdeaSIP: That's not so much. [6:22pm] ricko73: may actually reach 30F today [6:22pm] jervin: I used the team forrest blog. [6:22pm] IdeaSIP: We are. [6:23pm] IdeaSIP: Or at least, we HAVE been in the past. [6:23pm] Zeeek: IdeaSIP: didn't you guys used to have a SIP soft phone? [6:23pm] qxork: http://www.teamforrest.com/blog/voip/33/voip-users-conference-via-sip/ (talkshoe) [6:23pm] IdeaSIP: We did. It didn't work out. Too many issues that the devs couldn't fix. We keep meaning to get another, but it's not panned out. [6:25pm] IdeaSIP: (The devs being contractors in Asia) [6:25pm] uk-david: That it! Gigasets and hosted solutions - I'm leaving [6:25pm] abalashov: Zeeek: I just dialed back in - can you unmute me and see how this works out? [6:26pm] Zeeek: IdeaSIP: I was talking to someone on Talkshoe earlier about maybe using an IDeaSIP softphone to call into Talkshoe [6:26pm] Zeeek: abalashov: *6 to toggle [6:26pm] abalashov: jtodd: Howdy [6:26pm] ricko73: mjgraves: hello puppy [6:26pm] qxork: dog bark and wind in hdef [6:26pm] qxork: [6:26pm] outtolunc: run from that tornado [6:26pm] ricko73: much worse [6:26pm] DocAwesome: ouch [6:27pm] IdeaSIP: That's pretty horrid. [6:27pm] qxork: sounds like a hurri [6:27pm] DocAwesome: qxork: so my drop calls seem to be fixed with latest 1.6.1 branch [6:27pm] ricko73: sounds like karlfife on a bike [6:27pm] qxork: mgraves beat me to it [6:27pm] DocAwesome: 1.6.1.10 was messing with me and dropping calls like crazy [6:27pm] uk-david: He's definitely downloading something from pirate bay - I think it's the new Sherlock Holmes movie! [6:27pm] packetman: Have him say "Apollo 11 you are go for throttle up"....it would sound cool [6:27pm] outtolunc: call the pstn number [6:27pm] jervin: Darned Linux... [6:27pm] beek: .2 jtodds, at best. [6:27pm] qxork: packetman: lol [6:27pm] DocAwesome: less than 1 jtodd for sure [6:27pm] qxork: how about pstn? [6:28pm] ricko73: this is not usable [6:28pm] DFrankel: We can dial out to him. [6:28pm] DocAwesome: wow, this is not good [6:28pm] qxork: please call in from pstn [6:28pm] uk-david: Maybe it's an a-law / u-law issue [6:28pm] DocAwesome: heh [6:28pm] outtolunc: his cell phone was better than this [6:29pm] qxork: this is like ham radio [6:29pm] DaSunnyD: lol [6:29pm] IdeaSIP: Suddenly, it's much quieter. [6:29pm] abalashov: G.711u on both sides here [6:29pm] JimCifarelli: He must be standing by a nuclear reaction [6:29pm] abalashov: (softphone and PBX) [6:29pm] FreedomYug1: michael shoemaker? lol [6:29pm] abalashov: So, I don't know what the deal is. I just switched apps from Skype to Twinkle. [6:30pm] abalashov: Did not change mixer settings or anything. [6:30pm] DaSunnyD: i can move to talkshoe [6:30pm] qxork: I can call in on talkshoe [6:30pm] qxork: brb [6:30pm] DocAwesome: or the automechanics car is always broken [6:30pm] DocAwesome: the VoIP engineers PBX is never working [6:30pm] qxork: ok. on talkshoe [6:30pm] ricko73: hello karlfife [6:30pm] qxork: unmute me pls [6:30pm] _merlyn_: I am leaving in 30 mins ... so that will open a slot on zipdx [6:30pm] konu: What is the talkshoe SIP URI (without a PIN)? [6:30pm] ricko73: Zeeek: they make pills for that [6:31pm] qxork: Zeeek: can you unmute me? [6:31pm] IdeaSIP: And we're back. [6:31pm] Zeeek: *6 [6:31pm] maximCH: SIP/ts.x2z.eu/123 [6:31pm] qxork: I'm on talkshoe [6:31pm] maximCH: konu: 123@ts.x2z.eu that is [6:31pm] qxork: thanks [6:31pm] Zeeek: qxork: sorry [6:31pm] abalashov: I'm back.. see how this is. [6:31pm] konu: Got it. Thanks! [6:33pm] maximCH: and he was jittering as well, no? [6:33pm] IdeaSIP: Hey hey... I'm not calling in on Skype. [6:33pm] maximCH: or was that just me? [6:33pm] beek: It does boost him to 1.5 jtodds [6:33pm] Zeeek: beek: true [6:33pm] qxork: tims gateway is the alex optimizer [6:35pm] DFrankel: JTodd sounded like he was missing a few packets. [6:35pm] uk-david: Could Alex give an introduction that includes a quick 'what is a sip proxy' wrt Asterisk? [6:35pm] abalashov: yes [6:35pm] abalashov: Zeeek: I'm back? [6:35pm] Zeeek: abalashov: where? [6:35pm] abalashov: I'm called in from PSTN [6:36pm] Zeeek: ok [6:36pm] Zeeek: someone else has major echo [6:36pm] Zeeek: or noise [6:36pm] maximCH: I think it's Karl's background noise [6:36pm] IdeaSIP: Someone has kids. [6:36pm] JimCifarelli: This is a crazy call (quality) [6:36pm] abalashov: Zeeek: Just sent you my CID? [6:36pm] uk-david: You mean one of the geeks on this call is familiar enough with females to have kids? [6:37pm] Zeeek: haha [6:37pm] DocAwesome: karl is very loud [6:37pm] JimCifarelli: Who's B-Day today? [6:37pm] DFrankel: @abalashov: You can unmute with *6 and jump in [6:37pm] IdeaSIP: I'm muted on Talkshoe. [6:37pm] abalashov: Zeeek: "I'm sorry, this option is not available" [6:37pm] DFrankel: @abalashov: You are dialed into Talkshoe? [6:37pm] abalashov: dialed into what's advertised as the PSTN number [6:38pm] abalashov: 724-444-7444 #22622 [6:38pm] maximCH: that's talkshoe [6:38pm] maximCH: Zeeek: you'll have to unmute him [6:38pm] abalashov: yep [6:38pm] IdeaSIP: Talkshoe. [6:39pm] abalashov: well, I can hear you talking [6:39pm] DFrankel: 1 567 252 2286 is the ZipDX number [6:39pm] IdeaSIP: Many of us are on Talkshoe now that we jumped off the ZipDX bridge to make room for others. [6:39pm] maximCH: no way... [6:40pm] maximCH: my softphones on linux work fine... [6:40pm] DFrankel: @IdeaSIP: Thanks for that accommodation...we've upped the ZipDX limit for next time! [6:40pm] Zeeek: ANyone need to be unmuted on TS? [6:40pm] Zeeek: unfortunately since I can't identify you unless you have a PIN... [6:40pm] IdeaSIP: Yeah. I'm sure we'd have been fine, but just in case a bunch of people show up late (I often show up late). [6:41pm] Zeeek: Speaking: Alex Balashov - http://evaristesys.com/ [6:41pm] Zeeek: Open SER, Kamailio [6:42pm] qxork: they forked the worse I've ever seen [6:42pm] IdeaSIP: SER-> OpenSER -> OpenSIPS/Kamailio -> SIP Router -> ? -> ? [6:42pm] Zeeek: http://www.kamailio.org/ [6:43pm] qxork: For me the choice for kamailio is who's using it [6:43pm] DocAwesome: that's the first question I'm going to ask [6:43pm] IdeaSIP: We use it. But we also use SER and Asterisk. [6:43pm] Zeeek: if Alex is using it, that's a pretty strong argument [6:43pm] DocAwesome: qxork: do you still have issues with dropped calls to ZipDX? I don't have the issue as of today using nat=no on 1.6.1 branch [6:43pm] qxork: for example, jerjer, oej, abalashov are using kamailio [6:43pm] qxork: that's all I need to know [6:43pm] Zeeek: qxork: yup [6:44pm] qxork: DocAwesome: today I'm on talkshoe to free space. When I was on zipdx with 1.6.1.11 I did not drop. [6:44pm] DocAwesome: qxork: nice -- it must have been a 1.6.1.10 issue [6:45pm] DocAwesome: so I'll call the issue resolved [6:45pm] IdeaSIP: SER was our first, and we still use it in several places. OpenSER always had better docs, though. We ended up moving some things toward it when SER's architecture changed. And then we moved those to Kamailio. [6:45pm] DFrankel: Thanks you guys for working that problem. [6:45pm] qxork: Thank's DocAwesome [6:45pm] DocAwesome: DFrankel: thanks for helping and being involved! [6:45pm] DocAwesome is now known as leifmadsen. [6:45pm] qxork: DocAwesome: should now be known as DocSuperAwesome [6:45pm] DaSunnyD is now known as _3vian. [6:45pm] leifmadsen: I think since I'm gonna get some lunch, I'll get fring fired up and listen from there [6:46pm] DaveM__: not crazy about fring on Android [6:46pm] leifmadsen: qxork: that'd be conceited [6:46pm] qxork: DaveM__ my droids eta Tuesday [6:46pm] leifmadsen: DaveM__: new fring on E71 is pretty good for me [6:46pm] DaveM__: i wish I could find a decent sip softphone for Android [6:46pm] IdeaSIP: Ah... that's what I always wondered. [6:46pm] • leifmadsen is waiting for the video update for skype [6:47pm] Zeeek: Speaking: Alex Balashov - http://evaristesys.com/ [6:47pm] leifmadsen: the SIP portion seems to work pretty good for me [6:47pm] IdeaSIP: There was much talk of convergence, but I continued to see the parallel development, so it was a bit hard to understand. [6:47pm] qxork: where I got kama illy oh: http://www.kamailio.org/pub/kamailio-jingle [6:48pm] IdeaSIP: Got it. [6:48pm] Zeeek: ZipDX 46 callers: Talkshoe 7 [6:49pm] leifmadsen: Zeeek: does switching to skype help? [6:49pm] Zeeek: help what? [6:49pm] leifmadsen: the numbers on zipdx [6:49pm] Zeeek: no unless you use skype:ld.vuc.me that goes to.... Talkshoe via g729 [6:50pm] IdeaSIP: We're okay with ZIPDx unless 5 more people show up. So you should be good. [6:50pm] Zeeek: yeah it's all good now [6:50pm] leifmadsen: well I'm joining in via talkshoe now then anyways [6:50pm] leifmadsen: at least that's the intention [6:51pm] IdeaSIP: Sweet! I'll take your ZipDX spot! [6:51pm] Zeeek: vucbot: Sons is an abbreviation of "Sons of Asterisk", the brave warriors that attended Astricon in Phoenix in 2009 [6:51pm] vucbot: okay, Zeeek [6:51pm] leifmadsen: want to be via cell [6:51pm] Zeeek: Speaking: Alex Balashov "Kamailio" [6:51pm] qxork: ~Sons [6:51pm] vucbot: it has been said that sons is an abbreviation of "Sons of Asterisk", the brave warriors that attended Astricon in Phoenix in 2009 [6:52pm] qxork: [6:53pm] qxork: If you don't know SIP, Kamailio will make you cry yourself to bed. [6:53pm] Zeeek: vucbot: AstriconFail is what happened to Zeeek when he forgot his French drivers license with the motorcycle endorsement while wishing to rent a Harley [6:53pm] vucbot: Zeeek: okay [6:54pm] uk-david: Zeeek: Next time... [6:54pm] qxork: Next time we roll! [6:54pm] Zeeek: the time before I forgot my license and had to pass the test inCalifornia! [6:55pm] echamberlain: That's a pain, the MSF motorcycle safety course is the way to go. [6:55pm] IdeaSIP: And if you think that's not confusing, I should show you our mysql db queries just to print call records. [6:56pm] qxork: IdeaSIP: I end up doing my own cdr... and use acc for backup [6:56pm] Zeeek: quoting the book: "The SIP Express Router is an open-source SIP proxy server compliant to the IETF RFC3261 SIP protocol. It is targeted at large volume applications." [6:56pm] IdeaSIP: How do you do your CDRs? Your own engine? We wrote a CDR engine for it, but we use that mostly for billing. We still use acc for basic web-site call records. [6:57pm] Zeeek: echamberlain: for a four week stay? Not! [6:57pm] qxork: IdeaSIP: depends on the size of the installation. If many ser's, b2bua with a sql statement based on sip message and call id [6:58pm] Zeeek: Open SER supports IP6 from what I've read [6:58pm] IdeaSIP: Ah. Cool. That's similar to how ours is done. [6:58pm] Zeeek: maybe that's why Olle likes it a lot [6:59pm] _merlyn_: gotta run cya all soon ... dropping off the zipdx [7:00pm] Zeeek: _merlyn_: bye for now [7:00pm] maximCH: same here [7:00pm] Zeeek: maximCH: bye for then [7:00pm] maximCH: on talkshoe now on the road [7:00pm] maximCH: later [7:04pm] IdeaSIP: If an endpoint drops without hanging up, you get no 'BYE' or 'CANCEL' so it makes accounting sans media.... tricky. [7:05pm] Zeeek: it would [7:05pm] Zeeek: is there a solution to get accounting data without staying in media? [7:05pm] Zeeek: (i think he's answering now) [7:07pm] IdeaSIP: It's sort of an idle timeout. [7:07pm] Zeeek: SIP Sessions timers [7:08pm] qxork: proxy is simply a droid effectively carrying out the request of another. Cannot create it's own request. [7:08pm] Zeeek: sounds like me and my wife! [7:08pm] qxork: ditto [7:08pm] Zeeek: "we're all in the same boat" dept [7:09pm] Zeeek: heh [7:09pm] qxork: you have permission to conitnue [7:09pm] qxork: hahaha [7:09pm] Zeeek: I know! [7:09pm] Zeeek: must have been Delta [7:09pm] jsgoecke: Hello all [7:09pm] Zeeek: jsgoecke: hey Jason! [7:10pm] Zeeek: Speaking: Alex Balashov "Kamailio" [7:10pm] Zeeek: echamberlain: is that you, Eric? Didn't click immediately [7:11pm] uk-david: Hey Zeeek: Need to run. All the best... [7:11pm] Zeeek: uk-david: later, David cheers [7:12pm] qxork: uk-david: cheers David! [7:12pm] Zeeek: hmmm cheers, and expression usually associated with alcoholic beverages. Soooo..... [7:13pm] • Zeeek looks over at the fridge [7:13pm] uk-david: quork: Take care F [7:13pm] echamberlain: Zeek: Yes, it's me. [7:13pm] Zeeek: echamberlain: how's the SIP client coming? [7:13pm] uk-david: For quork read qxork! [7:13pm] Zeeek: quark even [7:14pm] echamberlain: Zeeek: well, currently working to get Asterisk out of the signaling and media when not needed. [7:14pm] Zeeek: Alex may I ask a question? [7:15pm] Zeeek: about credentials... is authuser part of the proxy thing? For example some ITSP don't need both username and authuser [7:16pm] Zeeek: I think even non-geeks would be able to use SIP phones if there weren't so many different ways to use credentials depending on the ITSP [7:17pm] Zeeek: echamberlain: k hope it's coming along well [7:17pm] e4voip: hello [7:17pm] Zeeek: e4voip: late as usual! [7:17pm] e4voip: sorry- [7:17pm] e4voip: tried to take the day off [7:17pm] Zeeek: ~lart e4voip [7:17pm] • vucbot slaps e4voip around with a large trout [7:18pm] echamberlain: Zeeek: I think I've found a bug in Asterisk with curl hanging, that's been slowing things down. [7:18pm] ricko73: e4voip: how'd that work for ya? [7:18pm] Zeeek: echamberlain: hanging curl will do it! [7:18pm] • e4voip grabs trout - makes sushi [7:19pm] FearNoIdea: e4voip: I don't think you can have time off. [7:19pm] Zeeek: ~decode e4voip [7:19pm] • vucbot removes artifacts from e4voip with a scalpel [7:19pm] • FearNoIdea ewww trout sushi [7:19pm] sandy__: can anyone point me in the right direction regarding aterisk cluster behind kamailio using realtime database [7:19pm] Zeeek: abalashov: I'd be curious about the registration to proxies [7:19pm] e4voip: yes trout sushi - nasty [7:20pm] DFrankel: That was a very nice, orderly presentation! [7:20pm] Zeeek: sandy__: noted [7:20pm] jasonwert: ewww, trout sushi [7:20pm] ricko73: damn is kfife lound [7:20pm] ricko73: loud too [7:20pm] Zeeek: abalashov: question above about asterisk cluster via Kamailio [7:21pm] FearNoIdea: big slider on my mixer just got slapped... down [7:21pm] IdeaSIP: Not to speak for Alex, but I would say it's far more configurable -- especially as far as SIP goes. [7:21pm] FearNoIdea: and now it gets pushed back up [7:21pm] IdeaSIP: But it's more complex. [7:21pm] Zeeek: FearNoIdea: be afraid of kfife, be very afraid [7:22pm] • FearNoIdea holds hand cautiously over volume slider on mixer... [7:22pm] qxork: Please mute him/her [7:23pm] Zeeek: http://www.packtpub.com/building-telephony-systems-with-openser/book [7:23pm] Zeeek: qxork: hard to see the login on the console w 40+ users [7:23pm] qxork: understood [7:24pm] DFrankel: @Zeeek: Sort by "talking" to bring talkers to the top. [7:24pm] Zeeek: I am but I didn't see who it was [7:25pm] Zeeek: so ham radio [7:25pm] Zeeek: or worse... CB [7:25pm] Zeeek: 0.1 jtodds [7:26pm] IdeaSIP: You can trigger things by SIP requests, by SIP responses... it can distinguish between a 200 response and a 201, for instance. Etc, etc. Highly configurable. But you really have to know whatyou're doing. [7:27pm] • Zeeek wonders what the levelator will make of this [7:27pm] IdeaSIP: A complete kludge. [7:27pm] IdeaSIP: You could FORWARD auth challenges. [7:27pm] echamberlain: Can anyone recommend any solutions to the registration problem? [7:28pm] abalashov: you could [7:32pm] Zeeek: Rolfe: do you need to be unmuted on Talkshoe? I see you there [7:33pm] qxork: have to run for a few... [7:33pm] Zeeek: qxork: carefu [7:33pm] IdeaSIP: It's easy until you have to worry about MWI. [7:33pm] qxork: abalashov: thanks for talking! [7:33pm] IdeaSIP: Then it becomes a bit more complex. [7:35pm] FearNoIdea: babyTEL for instance has a host and a proxy. The proxy uses a non-standard port [7:35pm] FearNoIdea: 5065 [7:36pm] leifmadsen: that's not entirely true [7:36pm] leifmadsen: you can use authuser= [7:37pm] Zeeek: leifmadsen: tell us why? [7:37pm] leifmadsen: why what? [7:37pm] leifmadsen: I just gave you the answer [7:37pm] Zeeek: why you cried, and why you lied to me [7:37pm] Zeeek: (song lyrics) [7:37pm] leifmadsen: Zeeek: because Santa is coming [7:37pm] leifmadsen: although for the sake of this conversation, it is easier to say they do need to be the same [7:38pm] leifmadsen: (but there are ways around the [identifier] to be different from what is authenticating [7:38pm] Rolfe: Zeek:. I'm OK thans. [7:41pm] abalashov: leifmadsen: Thanks! [7:41pm] abalashov: leifmadsen: I needed that clarification. [7:41pm] leifmadsen: abalashov: no worries! I didn't want to make the conversation more complicated though [7:41pm] leifmadsen: so I wasn't too adamant about "correcting" you [7:42pm] • Zeeek is not intimately familiar with SIP [7:43pm] IdeaSIP_: What further complicates things is that you can configure it to not have those auth challenges. Either. Both. Or either in particular circumstances. [7:43pm] leifmadsen: uh huh [7:45pm] IdeaSIP_: For instance, IdeaSIP is an open server, so we don't auth calls coming in to us for SIP to SIP calls. But we do authenticate for PSTN calls. We also add extra layers of authentication if you are claiming your domain is @ideasip.com, so we can ensure people aren't spoofing our actual users, etc, etc. [7:46pm] e4voip: finally on the call... W00t [7:48pm] jsgoecke: After about 5 mins my Skype -> vuc.me digitizes to inaudibility and then I need to drop. [7:48pm] e4voip: kfife is narrow again [7:49pm] Zeeek: jsgoecke: not sure what it means, I hate the answer "no one else is having that problem" , so AT&T like [7:49pm] jsgoecke: Yeah, could be on my side [7:49pm] jsgoecke: That is the thing about Skype... [7:49pm] jsgoecke: Just wanted to let you know my on/off is not to be taken offensively [7:49pm] Zeeek: e4voip: narrow and at a childrens birthday party or sthing [7:49pm] IdeaSIP_: No one else has a problem with that statement, Zeeek. [7:50pm] Zeeek: The best support in the world is witopia.net - I have never gotten anything but the immediate answer and solution to anything I've ever submitted... and this within a few minutes usually [7:50pm] leifmadsen: how was the name invented? [7:51pm] leifmadsen: or what does it mean? [7:51pm] Zeeek: And they are giving away Viscosity license with their product now (if you have Mac - jsgoecke) [7:51pm] leifmadsen: hence why Zaptel was renamed to DAHDI [7:51pm] e4voip: damn calling cards [7:51pm] fainsys: anyone use Aataro free edition? [7:51pm] Zeeek: leifmadsen: he already answered that if it was for Kamailio [7:51pm] leifmadsen: Zeeek: ah ok -- I missed it at lunch then [7:51pm] leifmadsen: asked and answered, got it [7:52pm] Zeeek: You have no right to eat lunch [7:52pm] leifmadsen: I have many rights! [7:52pm] leifmadsen: I have the right to KICK YOUR ASS! [7:52pm] Zeeek: do not [7:52pm] Zeeek: do not [7:52pm] leifmadsen: that's true. You called my bluff. [7:52pm] leifmadsen: [7:52pm] ricko73: damn Karl! [7:52pm] _3vian: nope [7:52pm] leifmadsen: lol [7:53pm] _3vian: probably that french fellow earlier [7:53pm] IdeaSIP_: http://www.amazon.com/Speak-Hawaiian-Kamailio-HawaiI-Kakou/dp/0824802837 [7:53pm] ricko73: yum install kidfilter [7:53pm] e4voip: How many callers? missed that - [7:53pm] jsgoecke: maybe apt-get [7:53pm] jsgoecke: sudo port install [7:53pm] IdeaSIP_: Alex is a big personality. I'm sure everyone's here to hear what he has to say. Not for the giveaway. [7:54pm] _3vian: required modules? [7:54pm] _3vian: mute him [7:54pm] FreedomYug2: probably he could type in the questions [7:54pm] sandy__: she asked what were the required modules for billing [7:55pm] IdeaSIP_: He's not on IRC, so he can't type the questions. [7:55pm] ricko73: e4voip: lots of callers [7:55pm] ricko73: he's obviously not paying attention to the call and interrupting answers. [7:55pm] ricko73: very rude [7:56pm] Zeeek: DFrankel: I couldn't see who that is I muted a bunch of people [7:56pm] IdeaSIP_: Someone's happy about that idea. [7:56pm] DFrankel: @Zeeek: What about Jason Home? [7:56pm] Zeeek: I thought that was the Jason from e4 ? [7:57pm] Zeeek: Unless that was jsgoecke ? [7:57pm] Zeeek: Naw, couldn't be [7:57pm] DFrankel: Looks like whoever it is they were making their share of noise, I think. [7:57pm] DFrankel: You or they muted. [7:57pm] Zeeek: I di [7:57pm] Zeeek: d [7:57pm] e4voip: Not us... [7:57pm] e4voip: we are muted - [7:58pm] Zeeek: k [7:58pm] IdeaSIP_: Yay! I finally died. [7:58pm] Zeeek: wife just brought in a glass of wine and some munchies! [7:58pm] IdeaSIP_ is now known as IdeaSIP. [7:58pm] jsgoecke: Ooh, jibe! [7:58pm] FearNoIdea: I am one of the few talkshoe... streaming through my desktop speakers. Input devices all disabled [7:58pm] akant2: Zipdx conference number? [7:58pm] jsgoecke: The real difference is stability, eh? [7:58pm] jsgoecke: [7:58pm] akant2: Come on bot [7:58pm] FearNoIdea: no way for me to make noise [7:59pm] Zeeek: ~zipdx [7:59pm] vucbot: well, zipdx is 200901@login.zipdx.com [8:00pm] jervin: ZIPDX PSTN: +1 567 252 2286 [8:01pm] jervin: ~zipdx [8:01pm] vucbot: hmm... zipdx is 200901@login.zipdx.com [8:01pm] jervin: Hmmm, how does that ~ thingy work anyway? [8:01pm] Zeeek: pretty well [8:01pm] jervin: Ahh, asked and answered [8:01pm] beek: ~zipdx [8:01pm] vucbot: [zipdx] 200901@login.zipdx.com or PSTN: +1 567 252 2286. [8:01pm] Zeeek: and if you've ever been bifurcated, you know how painful that can be! [8:03pm] abalashov: hehe [8:04pm] IdeaSIP: SERSipsOpenRouterailio. [8:04pm] Zeeek: heh [8:04pm] jervin: I'd whimper if I were bifurcated. [8:05pm] IdeaSIP: Hahahah [8:05pm] beek: Send it to jtodd [8:05pm] mjgraves: cracks knuckles...getting ready [8:06pm] ricko73: what is "ring my bell" [8:06pm] jervin: i dunno [8:07pm] JRoque: The pretenders Well I'm just a fool for you and I think I'm going crazy [8:07pm] IdeaSIP: Several by that title, actually. [8:07pm] blkry: prtenders THIS IS A MERCY MISSION [8:07pm] tabbertmj_____: The pretenders -"THIS IS A MERCY MISSION" [8:07pm] FearNoIdea: The pretenders - This is a mercy mission [8:07pm] FearNoIdea: crap yer quick [8:07pm] ricko73: google foo us strong with some [8:07pm] jsgoecke: Gotta run, always love to hear forked project angst! [8:07pm] jsgoecke: Have a great weekend! [8:07pm] _3vian: I give you my affection and I give you my time [8:07pm] blkry: lol [8:07pm] JRoque: THIS IS A MERCY MISSION [8:07pm] FearNoIdea: http://www.musicsonglyrics.com/P/pretenderslyrics/pretendersthephonecalllyrics.htm [8:07pm] IdeaSIP: Joe Satriani also did one called "The Phone Call" [8:07pm] beek: Aren't previous winners excluded? [8:08pm] mjgraves: http://popup.lala.com/popup/360569453759758316 [8:08pm] FearNoIdea: Fear No Idea [8:08pm] FearNoIdea: input interface disabled [8:08pm] steely_glint: Sheesh, when is the rest-of-the-world going to get a prize ? [8:08pm] FearNoIdea: No... I'm up by e4 [8:08pm] FearNoIdea: Traverse City, Mi [8:08pm] TheDavidFactor: but wasn't it tabbertmJ____? [8:08pm] FearNoIdea: SWEET!!! [8:09pm] qxork: Congrats Fear! [8:09pm] mjgraves: fight! fight! fight! [8:09pm] FearNoIdea: It was rightfully tabbertmj [8:09pm] tabbertmj_____: South St. Paul MN [8:09pm] Zeeek: tabbertmj_____: what city [8:09pm] • FearNoIdea bows head honestly [8:10pm] tabbertmj_____: Helps to unmute [8:10pm] tabbertmj_____: lol [8:10pm] mjgraves: Chrissie Hynde once remarked that "rock is dead" [8:10pm] IdeaSIP: tabber... type it in. [8:10pm] FearNoIdea: In my IRC channel he was first [8:10pm] FearNoIdea: I would love the phone... but have to keep it honest [8:11pm] e4voip: who won? [8:11pm] JRoque: Damn clipboard manager... pasted the wrong line in.. doh! [8:11pm] FearNoIdea: I can and do regularly [8:11pm] mjgraves: Seems appropriate for big telecom...maybe [8:11pm] ricko73: T-shirts [8:11pm] ricko73: we have t-shrts [8:11pm] IdeaSIP: Clickety clack. [8:11pm] FearNoIdea: yessir [8:11pm] IdeaSIP: Yay! 2nd prize! [8:11pm] FearNoIdea: I am always interested in learning more [8:11pm] ricko73: e4VoIP has shirts to send out VUC.ME shirts [8:11pm] qxork: I already bought the book [8:12pm] qxork: I will recommend the book though [8:12pm] qxork: it is not 8675309 [8:13pm] IdeaSIP: +1 (XXX) 634-5789 [8:13pm] TDF: 634-5789 otis reading [8:13pm] TDF: eddie floyd [8:13pm] • ricko73 locally muted [8:14pm] DFrankel: MGraves was making noise. [8:14pm] ricko73: what is cut and paste [8:14pm] IdeaSIP: Heh.... Steve Cropper [8:14pm] mjgraves: heater near my desk [8:14pm] IdeaSIP: This for the phone or the book? [8:14pm] TDF: I dont want it, just like taking part [8:16pm] • Zeeek regrets his ineptitude in awarding prizes but promises to do better Real Soon Now™ [8:17pm] IdeaSIP: We forgive you. [8:17pm] Zeeek: TDF you are abdicating the prize? [8:17pm] IdeaSIP: But just this once. [8:17pm] TDF: yes, someone else will get better use from it [8:17pm] TheDavidFactor: +1 (XXX) 634-5789 Steve Cropper [8:17pm] IdeaSIP: Boom! [8:17pm] TheDavidFactor: just copied you guys, but if no one wants it I'll take it [8:18pm] IdeaSIP: I say David was fastest to chime in there. [8:18pm] Zeeek: VOTE [8:18pm] Zeeek: who gets the second copy of the book? [8:18pm] TDF: I was just practising for the day I win a phone [8:18pm] Zeeek: Is it TheDavidFactor ? [8:18pm] TheDavidFactor: +1 [8:19pm] IdeaSIP: TheDavidFactor. +1 [8:19pm] Zeeek: by the way, this is an ecopy, you'll get it quick as a PDF [8:19pm] Zeeek: TheDavidFactor+10 [8:19pm] Zeeek: Ok, TheDavidFactor has won!!! [8:19pm] TheDavidFactor: <- @ gmail (dot) com [8:19pm] qxork: did we mention alex's amazing participation on the mail list? [8:19pm] • IdeaSIP claps heartily [8:19pm] qxork: 1.2 [8:20pm] Zeeek: Alex is one of the few posters worth reading every time. I read his answers even on subjects I couldn't care less about! [8:21pm] Zeeek: There is nothing wrong with getting the help of an expert consultant [8:22pm] • IdeaSIP recommends that Randy not drink so much before the conference. [8:22pm] FearNoIdea: haha [8:23pm] qxork: it's pre fork [8:23pm] qxork: and also a little lacking on the mysql customization, etc. [8:23pm] Zeeek: Emergency I need to leave to save mariage [8:23pm] qxork: but a really good book [8:23pm] qxork: Zeeek: Thanks for all the fish! [8:23pm] IdeaSIP: Run! [8:24pm] IdeaSIP: Would you like fries with that? [8:24pm] qxork: Women? On this call? [8:24pm] ricko73: I'd recommend Tide [8:24pm] FearNoIdea: Somebody needs to wash clothes [8:24pm] ricko73: whattaburger [8:28pm] FearNoIdea: zeeek: You aren't allowed to leave [8:29pm] Zeeek: back in a bit! [8:31pm] FearNoIdea: Anyone else in here using babyTEL as a provider? [8:32pm] IdeaSIP: Not I (for obvious reasons) [8:32pm] FearNoIdea: [8:37pm] IdeaSIP: Ciao all. [8:38pm] abalashov1 is now known as abalashov. [8:38pm] Zeeek: we'll be back in a moment [8:38pm] abalashov: I'll hang around here if anyone has anything else. [8:38pm] abalashov: But have to tend to customer needs now. [8:38pm] qxork: Thanks alex [8:38pm] abalashov: Sure! [8:39pm] Zeeek: wow [8:40pm] echamberlain: anyone know how to disable or remove siproxd from pfsense? It's suddenly decided to block sip traffic. [8:40pm] Zeeek: [8:40pm] abalashov: echamberlain: Is that its annoying internal SIP ALG? [8:41pm] abalashov: pfSense has always been retarded about NATting SIP from more than one private endpoint [8:41pm] echamberlain: abalashov: yeah, it thinks it knows how to proxy [8:41pm] abalashov: but I thought they were working on how to fix [8:41pm] abalashov: because it's obvious some people are going to be fronting multiple SIP endpoints with it on a private network [8:41pm] abalashov: but last time I checked (about a year ago?) it was still an issue [8:41pm] abalashov: because it would map those SNATs to the same outside port [8:41pm] abalashov: which clearly doesn't work [8:42pm] abalashov: I don't know the answer to your question unfortunately, I just know that pfSense has been kind of a no-starter for SIP+SNAT for a long time as far as most experts I know are concerned., [8:49pm] ricko73: just confirming you're NOT hearing my MOH [8:49pm] blkry: I have a droid and I get about 1.5 days worth of battery [8:49pm] ricko73: I have the conf call on hold... [8:50pm] tabbertmj_____: I would be happy with 24 hours. My windows phone will die after about 12 hours with it just checking email. [8:52pm] Zeeek: everyone in IRC right now, you're welcome to stop by anytime, hang out here, we're not worried about topics, we don need no stinkin' topics [8:53pm] Zeeek: Cingular rocks! [8:53pm] Zeeek: oh wait... [8:54pm] Zeeek: There's a MAP for that [8:54pm] fainsys: studies actually show that ATT is superior to Verizon when it comes to speed [8:57pm] ricko73: juggling calls! [9:08pm] Zeeek: Talkshoe will be going down [9:08pm] jsmith-teaching is now known as jsmith. [9:13pm] qxork: see you guys next week (hopefully) [9:13pm] Zeeek: bah! [9:20pm] ricko73: http://www.celt-codec.org/ [9:20pm] TDF: delphiworld [9:21pm] ricko73: http://www.celt-codec.org/comparison/ [9:21pm] TDF: vucbot, delphiworld is unique [9:21pm] vucbot: TDF: okay [9:21pm] tabbertmj_____: The phone from today [9:25pm] TheDavidFactor: what are the t-shirts? [9:25pm] leifmadsen: how much for a tshirt? [9:25pm] ricko73: The VUC.me shirts [9:26pm] ricko73: shirts were paid for [9:26pm] TheDavidFactor: oh, so if you haven't already ordered one, you sol? [9:26pm] TheDavidFactor: *you're sol [9:27pm] TheDavidFactor: e4voip, oh oh oh, me me me [9:27pm] leifmadsen: oh, I'd pay for extra shipping [9:27pm] leifmadsen: I'm not that far away [9:27pm] • jsmith deserves it more than leifmadsen [9:27pm] leifmadsen: pfffft [9:27pm] leifmadsen: DocAwesome deserves it more than leifmadsen [9:28pm] jsmith: ~lart leifmadsen [9:28pm] • vucbot eats leifmadsen's liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti [9:28pm] beek: ~jsmith [9:28pm] vucbot: i guess jsmith is that Asterisk training guy, the one who writes documentation and tells the stupid jokes [9:28pm] leifmadsen: jsmith: pfffft, you know my liver isn't very good [9:28pm] leifmadsen: especially the stupid jokes [9:28pm] leifmadsen: ~leifmadsen [9:28pm] jsmith: leifmadsen: It wasn't me eating it... it was vucbot [9:28pm] leifmadsen: jsmith: good thing too [9:32pm] e4voip: send an email to vucme@e4strategies.com with shirt info [9:33pm] tabbertmj_____: 1-800-295-0051 [9:33pm] tabbertmj_____: When you are asked if you want to continue in English or Spanish, just wait quietly for about 10 seconds and you will smile. Promise! Keep going and press 4 listen to the options...then press 7. [9:34pm] tabbertmj_____: It has been plastered all over goole and facebook. [9:34pm] TheDavidFactor: I just get a busy [9:35pm] tabbertmj_____: Here is the samle I recorded this morning http://share.miketabbert.com/mp3/Nestle.wav [9:49pm] Zeeek: http://wine-stories.com [9:55pm] mjgraves: tabbertmj_____ that's really funny! [9:56pm] tabbertmj_____: I need to do the pig latin one next [9:59pm] TheDavidFactor: y'all have a good weekend [9:59pm] Zeeek: bye! [10:02pm] A_Mike: Well, localtime in Sweden 10pm gotta go . . . [10:11pm] BoxDog: 'morning all [10:12pm] BoxDog: enlightening discussion! [10:15pm] beek: BoxDog: On IRC or the call? [10:15pm] BoxDog: Both [10:17pm] gweidenh: What was the question for the phone giveaway? [10:18pm] Zeeek: the song by The Pretenders "Phone Call" [10:18pm] Zeeek: and WIlson Pickett 634-5789 [10:19pm] Zeeek: I can't belive how long this upload is taking [10:19pm] Zeeek: Great to hear you BoxDog ! And see you [10:19pm] BoxDog: http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/voicesw/ps6788/phones/ps379/ps8536/prod_qas0900aecd80699c20.html [10:19pm] Zeeek: last week we were on for something like 8 hours [10:20pm] Zeeek: all time record [10:26pm] BoxDog: that's insane [10:26pm] BoxDog: [10:26pm] BoxDog: how long's it been so far? [10:26pm] BoxDog: man it's cool to talk to you guys in realtime. [10:26pm] BoxDog: I'm just making a coffee. A strrrrooonnnng one. With fairtrade organic beans, freshly ground